Salop Matt Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Just something light hearted as am already missing the game season. If you could design your own cartridge to cover: pheasant & partridge what would it be? Case: plastic or paper, colour, crimp & overall length. Brass: colour and size. Wad material: plastic, wool,fibre. Shot size: Shot load: ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) If you could design your own cartridge to cover: pheasant & partridge what would it be? Case: plastic, translucent clear, crimp 6 point & 70mm Brass: actual brass and 8mm Wad material:fibre. Shot size: 6.5 Shot load:32g Speed: 1450 Edited May 4, 2016 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 My choice would be; Case: 70mm Shiny Red Paper 6 Star Crimp.Head: 12mm Brass washed SteelWad material: FibreShot: True 6.5Shot load: 28 grammes Speed: 1350 Fps To be called the ROCKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) Gordon system hull 70mm dark blue RIO G1000 primerAlliant green dot 2+.4 grainswading. gas check 4mm white felt cushon wad top card felt wad 2mm undrshot card maylar wrap478 grain 31 gram 2.5mm hard nickel lead english 6.5 shot.19 grain of buffer compress to 90lbs pree shot and buffer adittion and 8 star crimp.1280 fps at 10ft 8300 PSI OLD YORKSHIRE HIGH BIRD SPECIAL Edited May 4, 2016 by TONY R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 12-65mm primer mysterious powder 4mm card 20mm fibre 28gram #5 crimp 1100fps colour - red printed - farthing / shilling etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 The cartridge company beat me to it any colour, any wad, any load between 19-32 gm dependant on 28,20 or 12g, lead shot size 5-6, point them in the right direction down comes a game bird.The only thing I would like to redesign is the price £50 a thousand will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted May 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 For me it would be: 16mm Brass head. Red paper case if not red plastic. 65mm OAL. Felt wad. 30gram. 1400fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakapiken Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 12/70 cheddite once fired hull (from the clayground) win 209 primer 1,65 grams of VV N320 Guilandi sg 22 wad or B&P z2m21 With a felt wad in the bottom. (Split the petals) 32 grams of 2,7 mm lead crimp at 58mm 6 star 1345fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted May 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Most seem to favour slower fps than I thought. I thought most would want to match there clay cartridge velocity or maybe a smidgen quicker in case they are a bit behind it will get the shot there quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Paper case 70mm 29g 6.5 1500fps felt was Paper case 70mm 31g 5.5 1500fps felt wad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 28g of 6.5 and around 1450 fps case in bright red a smooth progressive powder. All plastic case as no brass required. Must try the Superfast 29g 6 more see how they compare to the 27g clay carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Most seem to favour slower fps than I thought. I thought most would want to match there clay cartridge velocity or maybe a smidgen quicker in case they are a bit behind it will get the shot there quicker. Hi Preference a slightly slower cartridge with the bigger shot size seems to pattern better for me Anything near a paper impax 6 shot is my choice medium pheasant to partridge Just my choice /thoughts All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Most seem to favour slower fps than I thought. I thought most would want to match there clay cartridge velocity or maybe a smidgen quicker in case they are a bit behind it will get the shot there quicker. No it won't the smaller clay cartridge shot may start quicker but will quickly slow down on the other hand the larger game shot may start a little slower but will be slower to slow down. 28ga 24gm shot 61/2 or 6 Vectan A0 Gualandi wad Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 No it won't the smaller clay cartridge shot may start quicker but will quickly slow down on the other hand the larger game shot may start a little slower but will be slower to slow down. 28ga 24gm shot 61/2 or 6 Vectan A0 Gualandi wad Job done. I can make u some of them£179 inc vat per 1000 wot about that mr browning George 07714 323 909 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 I'd just copy william Powell blue lightenings but 2 adjustments Clear case Gordon Wool wad 33g 4.5 shot English size as current load Same speed would be perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted May 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 That's a serious cartridge Johnny ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) 12 Gauge. The old Eley Grand Prix ounce and a sixteenth > 30 grm #6 paper coloured in the traditional Indian orange. They used to have a lovely smell to them when fired. Eley made a zillion of these I liked the all plastic case of the Rottweil MK.2 also. 20 Gauge. The little Rottweil club 20 in the black plastic case. I know that these were the most lethal of all of the 20 Gauge carts that my mate and I tried. And we tried every type that we could find. They are no longer sold but we wish that they were. SMI standard in 20 were blooming good to. Edited May 4, 2016 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaddy525 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 16mm brass translucent case A LOT of powder to make that thing wizz Plastic wad 34g of UK 5.5 lead shot 6 point crimp Called the Helmsley Hellfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Case doesn't really concern me but I'll entertain this and say a black gold Gordon case. 28 grams of 6.5/7 shot is plenty for me. Doesn't need to be hyper speed either a 1200-1250 fps round would be plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I'd just copy william Powell blue lightenings but 2 adjustments Clear case Gordon Wool wad 33g 4.5 shot English size as current load Same speed would be perfect Them blue lightening are a bloody good cartridge !!! My local rfd was having a clear out, I got a slab for £40. Great cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 20/70/16 Red Fiocchi 615 SIPE N - 1,17 Gualandi SG25 Shot UK #5 (6 IT) - 27gr 6 point crimp @ 59.8 mm 417 m/s 730 Bar 20/70/16 Red Cheddite CX1000 IMR 800X - 1,35 WAD: LB6 + internal cork Shot UK #5 (6 IT) - 27 / 27,5 gr 6 point crimp @ 60,1 mm V1:404 m/s V2,5: 390 m/s PMax: 749 bar If you change the wad to B&P Z2M 19 you'll end up betweet 690 -710 bar but the LB6 will be best for high pheasants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Case: Clear plastic 70mm 6 point crimp Brass: High BrassWad material: Plastic photodegrabableShot size: English 6.5Shot load: 32g Speed: 1400 fps Name printed in Black: Old Shuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 True 2 1/2" plastic case (Brass would be nice!) Cx2000 OP card Fibre wad Clean burning powder 28/30 grams quality 6/7 lead shot Crimp closure 1200fps Pattern in my gun like the old Hull 3 crowns! Under £200 per 1000!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) 2 1/2" red paper case. 6 crimp 3/8" brass. Fibre wad English 6 & 7 1 1/16oz load. 1350 fps. I like Whitebridge's name, Old Shuck. A good ol' East Anglian legend. Edited May 5, 2016 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Most common characteristics so far are: 70mm Red case High brass fibre wad 28 gram (closely followed by 32gram) 6.5 shot ( Closely followed by 5) 1350 fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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