Think I may have been scammed

[Piebob]

I always like to assume innocence until it can be clearly determined otherwise. There is still the potential here that the keeper is simply just a poor "business man" and has been caught out himself, perhaps becoming too complacent over the years it sounds like he has been in post. I hope so, and that he will return your money.

[figgy]

At half the cost of the syndicate being enough to oaf for five 100 bird days you must be a fair few quid out of pocket.

 

Hope you get all your money returned and enjoy the coming season.

[Milo]

I would keep GOP's feet to the fire on this until you are repaid.

[shoot and be safe]

Update.

The bank have fobbed me off saying that because I transfered the monies i can only claim it back if it hadn't been drawn on.

Needless to say, the money was withdrawn two days later, so no refund.

I have asked for this all to be put in writing so i can look into things further.

 

I had a telephone conversation with the keeper and he is still on his home landline, so hasn't left yet.

He is obviously very apologetic over the whole situation and has asked for my bank details so he can send me the refund when he gets it back from the game dealer.

I asked for idea of time that this will take and he says it should be within the next week.

I am not holding my breath.

 

I am waiting to hear back from the estate office of the land owners that this shoot is on, to see what insights they can offer to help solve this situation.

 

GOP have removed his page and asked that I contact them next week to give them a updat on proceedings.

 

Once again thanks for your time.

 

All the best

Mark

[remmy1100]

surely if hes selling pups theres money from them or maybe you could visit and refund yourself with pups

Edited May 20, 2016 by remmy1100

[Milo]

If GOP don't bend over backwards to help you let us know.

[shoot and be safe]

surely if hes selling pups theres money from them or maybe you could visit and refund yourself with pups

They are a week old at the moment so thats 7 weeks to wait for that option

He did say that all the shoot equipment was his, so I may take goods yo the value if the cash doesn't appear

[Banger123]

Good luck that smell of fish just gets stronger.

[Paul223]

Update.

The bank have fobbed me off saying that because I transfered the monies i can only claim it back if it hadn't been drawn on.

Needless to say, the money was withdrawn two days later, so no refund.

I have asked for this all to be put in writing so i can look into things further.

 

I had a telephone conversation with the keeper and he is still on his home landline, so hasn't left yet.

He is obviously very apologetic over the whole situation and has asked for my bank details so he can send me the refund when he gets it back from the game dealer.

I asked for idea of time that this will take and he says it should be within the next week.

I am not holding my breath.

 

I am waiting to hear back from the estate office of the land owners that this shoot is on, to see what insights they can offer to help solve this situation.

 

GOP have removed his page and asked that I contact them next week to give them a updat on proceedings.

 

Once again thanks for your time.

 

All the best

Mark

Who is the game dealer?

[shoot and be safe]

Who is the game dealer?

Enquiries are underway, phone calls will continue tomorrow in between stands at the charity shoot

I have been given a location and contact name but not the actual of the company.

Google has earned its money from me over the last couple of days.

 

 

I have received a email back from the estate office confirming a couple of things, so the smell of fish isn't as bad as before, but it still lingers.

[hodge911]

my fish comment was aimed at the reply the original poster got from the gamekeeper and no way what so ever at the OP .

having been ripped off myself in the past has I suppose made me a tad more suspicious of answers like the op received

[shoot and be safe]

A quick update for you all.

 

I have been quite as it has ended up in court.

 

The long and short of it all is the bailiffs are going In.

 

The last correspondence from him to the courts was an offer of £25/month. I'm not prepared to wait over 7 years for the full refund.

 

I shall keep a eye on the TV schedule for him to appear on "Can't pay, we'll take it away"

[dodeer]

There's some bad people out there ( I was scammed by a man called Derek Anderson who lived in midhurst, for £1650 for some optics and he was bankrupt and ccj'd to kingdom come so wasn't going to get a penny) but also some good people who have had bad misfortune. However those people will normally be honest and tell you straight so at least you know.

There's some bad people out there ( I was scammed by a man called Derek Anderson who lived in midhurst, for £1650 for some optics and he was bankrupt and ccj'd to kingdom come so wasn't going to get a penny) but also some good people who have had bad misfortune. However those people will normally be honest and tell you straight so at least you know.

[Twistedsanity]

Do the "can't pay" thing and elevate it to the hight court before he dissapears or the bailiffs for all the other victims get in first and there nothing left to cover your debt

[shoot and be safe]

An update for you all.

 

Folowing a couple of court cases my claim has now been passed on to the official receiver and a moratorium period of 12 months has started with a view of him being declared insolvent. This means I am not alowed to pursue him for the 12 month moratorium period unless his circumstances change (the rules are very strict, for example, no more than £50 disposable income per month). If at the end of the 12 months and his circumstances haven't changed, he is discharged from his debts in relation to this moratorium (£17k+)and I like the other creditors will receive nothing.

 

An expensive lesson learned and one to chalk down to experience.

 

I would like to thank you all for your support and advice in regard to this situation.

 

All the best

Mark

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Doesn't seem very fair!

[matone]

Wonder if he`d get away with defrauding the same amount from a financial institution .................

[Cranfield]

Any further reaction from Guns on Pegs ?

I am not convinced they have no responsibility, even if its only a moral one.

[Flashman]

Cranfield, on 08 Dec 2016 - 08:50 AM, said:

Any further reaction from Guns on Pegs ?

I am not convinced they have no responsibility, even if its only a moral one.

 

This is the trouble with providing a "Market Place" for buyers and sellers.

 

Sellers pay to advertise and the Market Place doesn't want to frighten off its revenue stream. Buyers don't want to pay for the due diligence and also expect the Market Place to do some vetting.

 

From memory, Kings Walk always made much of its long track record, so you could reasonably expect it to be well run. As always, buyer beware.

[Blackpowder]

A dreadful story Mark. It appears as if GOP are willing to run a profit making business but do not take any responsibility for financial loss to their clients.

 

Blackpowder

[sportsbob]

This is the first I have read on this GOP issue and to be quite honest I don`t see how is the advertiser responsible ?

Edited December 8, 2016 by sportsbob

[shoot and be safe]

Any further reaction from Guns on Pegs ?

I am not convinced they have no responsibility, even if its only a moral one.

I don't hold GOP responsible for my plight in any way shape or form. Much the same if a similar situation occurred from an advert placed on here. The management can not be held responsible for the actions of its members.

I only used GOP for the initial contact and based my decision to join the syndicate baced in the Wrexham area on the information I obtained from the questions I asked.

 

I have now written it off and moved on from the situation.

As already mentioned,it is a expensive lesson learned and yes buyers beware.

[itchy trigger]

its not just the shoots

there is an estate nearby that advertise for guns on GOP where my pal and I often shoot, there was a team of 6 guns booked in leaving two guns available, I checked with the office just before it closed on the day before to check the availability, the team had confirmed that day, we rolled up at 8-30, party of 6 didn't show, would not answer the phone, estate still payed the pickers up and beaters, turns out they had booked at the estates hotel as well, so all in all well out of pocket, looks like this estate will now require substantial deposits with booking,

[shoot and be safe]

its not just the shoots

there is an estate nearby that advertise for guns on GOP where my pal and I often shoot, there was a team of 6 guns booked in leaving two guns available, I checked with the office just before it closed on the day before to check the availability, the team had confirmed that day, we rolled up at 8-30, party of 6 didn't show, would not answer the phone, estate still payed the pickers up and beaters, turns out they had booked at the estates hotel as well, so all in all well out of pocket, looks like this estate will now require substantial deposits with booking,

Indeed, good and bad on all sides.

I don't mind paying a deposit for a days shooting, but it won't be more than I'm prepared to loose if things go wrong. Hopefully they won't.

 

I know when I've organised a day, I always ask for a small deposit just to put people off backing out last minute and if the day does get canceled I can refund them out of my own pocket if needs be.

[Tam]

Sorry to hear the outcome Mark :unhappy: I was scammed with a set of tyres & learned my lesson not to bank transfer but this sounded good as he got people I know to confirm I could be trusted We have a mini driven day booked in Fife on 7th January if you are interested - options of Goose Flight to start & finish with Duck Flight (stop over here ) if interested I will let you know prices