Spit hoods

[Guest cookoff013]

i think to rejuvinate the uk economy, should spit hoods be made of plastic? like the carrier bags we nolonger see.

[old'un]

I remember when I was a kid walking down the high street with my dad, there was a Pakistani man walking towards who started fetching up phlegm from his throat, he was about a couple of yards from us and he spat out some horrible lump of green stuff mixed with phlegm, my dad called him a dirty ******* and punched him and knocked him out, you wouldn't want that in your face or worse still in your mouth, bag'em and sod human rights.

[felly100]

I remember when I was a kid walking down the high street with my dad, there was a Pakistani man walking towards who started fetching up phlegm from his throat, he was about a couple of yards from us and he spat out some horrible lump of green stuff mixed with phlegm, my dad called him a dirty ******* and punched him and knocked him out, you wouldn't want that in your face or worse still in your mouth, bag'em and sod human rights.

So if the police,quite rightly,arrested your Dad for aggravated assault,what would have been your reaction to him being fitted with a spit mask?

[Lloyd90]

So if the police,quite rightly,arrested your Dad for aggravated assault,what would have been your reaction to him being fitted with a spit mask?

Legit question.

 

Are they fitting everyone with a spit mask ? Or just people who are hocking up phlegm ? People who have spat at them before or have a known history of spitting at people ?(Lots of people the police deal with on a regular basis)

 

Say you turned up and arrested someone in the above situation. They are annoyed but come along, they obviously don't need a spit mask!

 

Say you turn up to arrest the man from the same situation and he's going ballistic and has to be restrained by several coopers and handcuffed and carried into the van, hardly a problem then is it!

 

As with most things, a bit of professional discression of where and when to use a mask would clearly go a long way.

 

Unfortunately the majority of people these days don't seem to have the whits to work out when to and when not to!

Edited September 7, 2016 by Lloyd90

[Harry136]

They are only being used on people who are spitting or trying to bite police officers

[Brixsmaid]

Legit question.

 

Are they fitting everyone with a spit mask ? Or just people who are hocking up phlegm ? People who have spat at them before or have a known history of spitting at people ?(Lots of people the police deal with on a regular basis)

 

Say you turned up and arrested someone in the above situation. They are annoyed but come along, they obviously don't need a spit mask!

 

Say you turn up to arrest the man from the same situation and he's going ballistic and has to be restrained by several coopers and handcuffed and carried into the van, hardly a problem then is it!

 

As with most things, a bit of professional discression of where and when to use a mask would clearly go a long way.

 

Unfortunately the majority of people these days don't seem to have the whits to work out when to and when not to!

From the TV Cops programmes I've seen when they use/threatened to use them, its always been when they have either already tried to spit at the cops or seriously threaten to do so. So I think the police use commonsense and don't use them routinely.

[Lloyd90]

Then I would be asking these human rights tossers why is it ok to handcuff someone who's been arrested to stop them from hitting you, but not ok to put a hood over their head to stop them spitting on you (which is also classed as assault I believe)

 

More than likely these lawyers challenge things like this because they can charge their expenses back on the public purse etc and probably don't care either way! Just trying any old ******** to justify continuing their pay packets

[felly100]

I think the reason why it's on hold at the moment is because they haven't worked out the 'when to use' protocols.

[harpoonlouis]

Strange we were talking about spitting the other night, my wife ran a hospital for very very challenging behaviour clients where the police would have to attend in the last resort.

 

She recalls that the police and other services had a very long fuse up to the point where they were spat at then the messing around stopped and they usually ended up in full restraints including spit hood.

 

Seems even quite disordered and ill individuals seemed to know that this was a taboo and would get a reaction from even the most disciplined staff.

 

Wouldn't want to see them used as a first resort because they are very undignified but as a last resort, fine.

[panoma1]

Ask yourself, what you would do if someone spat in your face! I think I know what I would do!.....How could we expect a copper to react any differently?......preventing it before it occurs, is the only way to protect our police from this type of disgusting assault!

[Muddy Funker]

I've only had someone properly hock one up once in nearly 10 years front line. I basically told him straight I'd smash his head through the van window if he went through with it, he didn't (effective communication).

 

Spit hoods are definitely easier to write up than smashing someones head through a van window haha. They look a bit Guantanamo Bay but the reality is that it's a mesh hood that causes no harm whatsoever.

 

To be covered by the human rights act surely a pre requisite is that you are behaving like a human?

[Dougy]

Plastic bags would be better. With a nice elasticated tie at the bottom.

A very tight one too.

Those idiotic people that are against them, need to be in the position that some of the police are in.

I suppose telling them not to be so naughty should suffice in there perfect little world.

[old'un]

So if the police,quite rightly,arrested your Dad for aggravated assault,what would have been your reaction to him being fitted with a spit mask?

They did not have them in 1962 and my dad would not spit at anyone.

Edited September 7, 2016 by old'un

[mel b3]

i was thinking earlier about a mate that i worked the doors with , he was a real gent and would tolerate all sorts of grief from drunks , even the threats of violence and the racist abuse didnt phase him , but if you spat at him , his reaction was instant and severe . i saw him sit a guy on the pavement in front of two police officers in birmingham one night (the guy was walking past and just spat at him for no apparent reason whatsoever) , as the guy was staggering to his feet , he complained to the two police officers that hed been assaulted by the #### doorman , one of the officers replied "dont spit then dirty ****** " and that was the end of that lol.

[keg]

Plastic bags would be better. With a nice elasticated tie at the bottom.

A very tight one too.

Those idiotic people that are against them, need to be in the position that some of the police are in.

I suppose telling them not to be so naughty should suffice in there perfect little world.

Didn't a Tory MP try that and it involved an orange?

I've only had someone properly hock one up once in nearly 10 years front line. I basically told him straight I'd smash his head through the van window if he went through with it, he didn't (effective communication).

 

Spit hoods are definitely easier to write up than smashing someones head through a van window haha. They look a bit Guantanamo Bay but the reality is that it's a mesh hood that causes no harm whatsoever.

 

To be covered by the human rights act surely a pre requisite is that you are behaving like a human?

You'd like to think so MF re behaving like a human but some people have forgotten all about responsibilities.

[iano]

Thinking about this;

 

If I was arrested for something like public order and wasn't giving the coppers any agro, I'd be fairly worked up about having one of those hoods put on.

However, if I was causing them hassle or giving them much verbal, then by all means pop it on.

[happypig]

I've been spat at on several occasions

 

It's truely vile and usually without warning.

 

Normally accompanied with the line "I've got hepatitis"

 

Then I go home and tell the wife... Cue tests and months of "off games" until getting the all clear. The spitter usually refuses tests to confirm their status allowing you to mitigate risk.

 

Now tell me spit hoods breach human rights.

[toontastic]

I've been spat at on several occasions

 

It's truely vile and usually without warning.

 

Normally accompanied with the line "I've got hepatitis"

 

Then I go home and tell the wife... Cue tests and months of "off games" until getting the all clear. The spitter usually refuses tests to confirm their status allowing you to mitigate risk.

 

Now tell me spit hoods breach human rights.

Brother in law was a doorman, he refused entry to someone who spat in his face then bragged he was HIV+ and said he hoped he had passed it on.

There are a minority out there who use spitting as a weapon of choice.

[Davyo]

Hood plus a very very tight tiwrap around the neck.Spitting should be classed as an assault,and for those that spit in the street just pigs same as those that blow their hooters out in public when then block one nostril and drop a dockers oyster on the pavement.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Davyo

[flynny]

i was thinking earlier about a mate that i worked the doors with , he was a real gent and would tolerate all sorts of grief from drunks , even the threats of violence and the racist abuse didnt phase him , but if you spat at him , his reaction was instant and severe . i saw him sit a guy on the pavement in front of two police officers in birmingham one night (the guy was walking past and just spat at him for no apparent reason whatsoever) , as the guy was staggering to his feet , he complained to the two police officers that hed been assaulted by the #### doorman , one of the officers replied "dont spit then dirty ******* " and that was the end of that lol.

Good call that, proper old school common sense of the police,

 

If you hadn't had spat at him bud you wouldn't have ended up on your backside,

 

He'll think before spitting at anyone again

 

Dirty bar-steward

 

Flynny

Edited September 8, 2016 by flynny

[mel b3]

Good call that, proper old school common sense of the police,

 

If you hadn't had spat at him bud you wouldn't have ended up on your backside,

 

He'll think before spitting at anyone again

 

Dirty bar-steward

 

Flynny

Ive just been sat in my kitchen telling that story to my mate , hes an ex police officer with a very dim view of spitters .

We were laughing at his way of dealing with public piddlers on friday nights , he would walk up behind them and shake them so that they were covered in their own urine lol.

[Vince Green]

Having worked in West Africa, spitting is the 'standard' form of insult for African women, never men. Cross a West African woman in any way, even honk you horn at her for crossing the road without looking and she will turn and spit at you instinctively.

 

Get in a confrontation, like sacking a staff member for example, and they will spit in your face repeatedly

 

About on a par with us sticking two fingers up. Only difference is HIV is rife in West Africa now

[ozzy518]

We have had spit hoods for some time. In my 20 years front line I've been spat at on occasions, normally a lovely mix of snot saliva and blood.

I would rather be punched than spat at.

As with any type of use of force by the police it has to be justified. Handcuffs applied to prevent escape or assault, Pava spray and Taser for self defence. Spit hoods are the same. Only ever applied when the prisoner is spitting or attempting to do so.

[Pheasant Feeder]

Just playing devils advocate,

Police officers are arresting an individual who spits at them, this can transmit a variety of diseases to officer.

Due to 'do gooders' protesting against the use of spit hoods, the options for a police officer who is being assaulted to ensure the safety of himself and others is now limited.

Surely an alternative course of action needs to be used eg. taser or a swift kick in the crown jewels, that is about the only thing I can think of to stop someone spitting.

 

 

Do I have a problem with spit hoods, or taser or cs spray? No because I conduct myself in such a way as to never be on the receiving end of any of them.

 

I generally find that if you don't do anything unlawful and are civil when dealing with a constable you have nothing to fear.