Scully Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 https://ukshootingnews.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/latest-policing-and-crime-bill-amendments-make-expanding-ammo-changes/ Just received this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Very interesting, the last paragraph is an eye opener! "Labour’s Lord Rosser, a one-time trade union agitator, has also put forward an amendment to legally enshrine full cost recovery, ignoring the fact that this is already in force through the firearms fees system. Another Labour peer, Lord Harris of Haringey – a one-time leader of that borough’s council, notable for claiming £24,000 in expenses in one year alone – has tabled an amendment to automatically revoke the FAC of anyone who has a firearm stolen from them and a lifetime ban on firearm ownership imposed, all without any form of court hearing". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Very interesting, the last paragraph is an eye opener! "Labours Lord Rosser, a one-time trade union agitator, has also put forward an amendment to legally enshrine full cost recovery, ignoring the fact that this is already in force through the firearms fees system. Another Labour peer, Lord Harris of Haringey a one-time leader of that boroughs council, notable for claiming £24,000 in expenses in one year alone has tabled an amendment to automatically revoke the FAC of anyone who has a firearm stolen from them and a lifetime ban on firearm ownership imposed, all without any form of court hearing". Any shooter who supports labour is a traitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Any shooter who supports labour is a traitor. harsh but fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Due to my age I have to renew my driving license every five years. I don't get charged ... it would be nice if they could do the same for renewing FAC and SGCs :-) The whole gun licensing system is an expensive mess. There is absolutely no reason for renewals. It should be accepted that the status quo exists unless the holder informs the licensing office of any changes or proposed sales or purchases. This would reduce the burden on police forces by well over 80% of the present workload and save a pot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Any shooter who supports labour is a traitor. I support labour and have shot for 25 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 I support labour and have shot for 25 years you wont for much longer if the current labour lot get in power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) The bit about section 5 ammo won't make any real difference to anyone that i can see Unless they are not going to give authority to posses expanding ammo in pistol calibers Edited October 9, 2016 by bluesj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Very interesting, the last paragraph is an eye opener! "Labours Lord Rosser, a one-time trade union agitator, has also put forward an amendment to legally enshrine full cost recovery, ignoring the fact that this is already in force through the firearms fees system. Another Labour peer, Lord Harris of Haringey a one-time leader of that boroughs council, notable for claiming £24,000 in expenses in one year alone has tabled an amendment to automatically revoke the FAC of anyone who has a firearm stolen from them and a lifetime ban on firearm ownership imposed, all without any form of court hearing". It's all well and good doing that but if someone is trying to steal your gun and you crack them you will still get done/fac revoked for violence... loose loose situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 you wont for much longer if the current labour lot get in power The way they are going he won't need to worry for another 25 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Very interesting, the last paragraph is an eye opener! "Labour’s Lord Rosser, a one-time trade union agitator, has also put forward an amendment to legally enshrine full cost recovery, ignoring the fact that this is already in force through the firearms fees system. Another Labour peer, Lord Harris of Haringey – a one-time leader of that borough’s council, notable for claiming £24,000 in expenses in one year alone – has tabled an amendment to automatically revoke the FAC of anyone who has a firearm stolen from them and a lifetime ban on firearm ownership imposed, all without any form of court hearing". Would have been a bit unfortunate for poor old George Digweed wouldn't it when he was violently attacked and had a shotgun stolen from recollection. Good old Lord Rosser would have ensured he would have lost his livelihood as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 you wont for much longer if the current labour lot get in power I'll be honest that I'm more worried about keeping my house than my guns tho I admit tho the new leader is s joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 So what if I get my car stolen??? Should I be banned from Driving?? Never to drive again. Completely unrealistic to suggest if a gun is stolen you should be stripped of your licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) The present ban on expanding ammunition was an ill judged knee jerk reaction to ban 'dum dum' bullets by people who didn't even know what the implications of the ban were. To be honest, the effects on a human of being hit by a high velocity FMJ bullet is not really significantly different to being hit by a hollow point. So whats the positive effect achieved by the ban? Where my friend lives in mid Wales the local boyos have been using FMJ in their .223s on foxes for years. This is because they have had to, the sheer difficulty in getting hold of expanding ammunition. It would involve an all day round trip drive to buy 100 bullets, and that's when they can get hold of them which is another big problem. They all reload so mail order FMJs are their only option. Interestingly, they all say in .223 FMJ or expanding it makes very little difference to the fox. In the present environment, criminals or terrorists can obtain ammunition pretty easily from Europe if that is their desire. Its unlikely they would resort to legitimate UK sources for any ammunition because of the degree of regulation. While our borders remain wide open what is the point of picking on the law abiding? Besides, while our police and soldiers wear body armour, the real danger to them is not going to be expanding ammo its going to be AP and AK47s not .243s Edited October 9, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 The bit about section 5 ammo won't make any real difference to anyone that i can see Unless they are not going to give authority to posses expanding ammo in pistol calibers But it will make a tremendous difference to home loaders who will now be able to order bullets by post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Very interesting, the last paragraph is an eye opener! "Labour’s Lord Rosser, a one-time trade union agitator, has also put forward an amendment to legally enshrine full cost recovery, ignoring the fact that this is already in force through the firearms fees system. Another Labour peer, Lord Harris of Haringey – a one-time leader of that borough’s council, notable for claiming £24,000 in expenses in one year alone – has tabled an amendment to automatically revoke the FAC of anyone who has a firearm stolen from them and a lifetime ban on firearm ownership imposed, all without any form of court hearing". Total plonker, labour seems to collect them and put them on the gravy train for life. Look at Lord Janner, not for what he is known for now, in his early political life he was a low grade Labour nobody of any real significance who achieved nothing of note. Then suddenly he is made a Lord. You have to wonder now, knowing what we know about him, who did he hold the dirt on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Liebour are totally utterly anti end off .sorry folks whatever your political beliefs Liebour dont wont Joe Public owning firearms no excuses no good reason .Vote liebour you might as well light your fire with your SGC /FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Due to my age I have to renew my driving license every five years. I don't get charged ... it would be nice if they could do the same for renewing FAC and SGCs :-) The whole gun licensing system is an expensive mess. There is absolutely no reason for renewals. It should be accepted that the status quo exists unless the holder informs the licensing office of any changes or proposed sales or purchases. This would reduce the burden on police forces by well over 80% of the present workload and save a pot of money. A good, common sense approach, and one with which I fully agree. Does anybody know what purpose is served by the renewal process and the benefit it has to the safety of the general public? Unfortunately for us and the general public, common sense and firearms licensing are not often seen in each others company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 A good, common sense approach, and one with which I fully agree. Does anybody know what purpose is served by the renewal process and the benefit it has to the safety of the general public? Unfortunately for us and the general public, common sense and firearms licensing are not often seen in each others company. It does give them a chance to refresh the information they hold on an individual. Things do change, people change over time, it was sensible to go from three to five years. Lots of people get rid of their guns when renewal time comes round so its actually is quite a good way of sorting out lapsed shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 you wont for much longer if the current labour lot get in power +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 It does give them a chance to refresh the information they hold on an individual. Things do change, people change over time, it was sensible to go from three to five years. Lots of people get rid of their guns when renewal time comes round so its actually is quite a good way of sorting out lapsed shooters. You can get rid of your guns anytime; you don't need to wait until renewal. I can agree things change, but how does the renewal process play a role in this? If a shooter is seeing his GP for depression isn't it now highlighted in his file that he is a shooter? If that shooter has just renewed six months prior to his depression, doesn't your logic suggest he or the GP waits another 4 years ( until renewal ) before informing licensing? We don't need an entire renewal process at all really, when you think about it. Risk elements could be controlled and/or averted without having to go through the entire costly process, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 I liked the bits about automatic renewal of FAC/SGC for 8 weeks. Although kind of defeats the point of the expiry date on the certificate surely ? Also with the ammo changes, does this mean reloaders will be able to buy expanding ammo online / by mail order ? If so when would this come into effect ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Also with the ammo changes, does this mean reloaders will be able to buy expanding ammo online / by mail order ? If so when would this come into effect ? No all ammo sales must be f2f and FAC entry made, but it will mean you can buy the bullet heads online for delivery via the post and ammo delivery for expanding ammo to an RFD will be cheaper as TNT will no longer deliver expanding section 5 ammo so it must go specialist delivery which is expensive I am told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 No all ammo sales must be f2f and FAC entry made, but it will mean you can buy the bullet heads online for delivery via the post and ammo delivery for expanding ammo to an RFD will be cheaper as TNT will no longer deliver expanding section 5 ammo so it must go specialist delivery which is expensive I am told. I wouldn't be so sure that expanding bullets will be treated the same as non expanding, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes the other way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 I wouldn't be so sure that expanding bullets will be treated the same as non expanding, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes the other way! That's be a nightmare to implement. Inert rounds would become section 1 to stop people pulling the bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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