Armed police at airport

[toontastic]

The report I read was referring to the lowest category of potential plot, where there was an early inkling of something, but the police are called off for fear of race card.

 

 

Why would that that be so difficult for you to believe?

 

the edl remark was ridiculous, but I will let it go.

You mean like all the reports coming out now about people reporting the strange behaviour of the arena bomber and nothing being done about it.

[toontastic]

never a fan of the sa80 , was one of the first to have one issued in the 80s , although I never had a problem with it i think I was spoilt as my rifle was the SLR when I first joined the forces and it just fitted and suited me for shooting

+1 always felt going from SLR to SA80 was a step down.

[wandringstar]

similar to how stop and search was watered down by the do-gooders and we now see the catastrophic effect in London.

[Harry136]

The officers you saw with MP7's and L85's were MoD Police.

[Wiggum]

The officers you saw with MP7's and L85's were MoD Police.

That would certainly make sense

[ordnance]

The officers you saw with MP7's and L85's were MoD Police.

Is that not what i posted in post 9. In this part of the UK security at army bases etc, is carried out not by the police or army but a civilian organisation that use the SA80.

 

 

The Northern Ireland Security Guard Service (NISGS) is a civilian organisation of the ministry of defence that provides armed security at military establishments in Northern Ireland . Armed with the L85A2 / SA80. This is a 5.56 mm calibre assault rifle, generally referred to as the 'SA80', and is the current standard UK military issue personal weapon

 

MOD Police

Most officers are armed with the force weapon, the Heckler & Koch MP7, while some specialist units use weapons such as the Heckler & Koch MP5 and/or the Diemaco C8. Such units include those working within the Government Security Zone, the Tactical Support Group and Special Escort Group. Some officers carry a SIG P229 sidearm.

 

Officers within the Nuclear Division and those working with Nuclear Weapons or special nuclear material carry the 2007 variant of the L85A2 assault rifle, fitted with the Trijcon ACOG sight.

Edited May 28, 2017 by ordnance

[fortune]

Some dont like it that the UK is a multi cultural and multi ethnic society but that's how it is. there is no way that people are going to be rounded up and kicked out because a lot of these people that some have arbitrarily deemed may not fit the pattern were born here and so might their parents. one of the son in laws works on removing people that are either criminals being deported or have overstayed their visas or some other reason. these people fight the system to the last minute and sometimes physically resist on the airplanes as well. it isnt as easy as would be thought and sometimes the countries wont accept them back. someone mentioned fred karnos and that is what it is like at the moment. all of this nonsense that is being stated by the police in the time since the event is thin. IF military police and nuclear police are being deployed who is protecting the areas where they should be? or do they not have a valid role and are just sitting about in the tea room making up the numbers. how long are they going to be seconded onto wandering around looking the part and waiting for the next big bang ? and IF and When it happens what are they going to do about it? there has been a suggestion that special forces are being used to break into suspects housing by using explosive charges to ease doors. I did notice some operatives that looked a lot more efficient and switched on wearing different kit than the usual plod gear. the only way that this situation will be resolved is to work with the local communities and to infiltrate and integrate with them. no one could be more hard on underground subversives than the Gestapo and they couldn't break the underground. As for bombing the situation out of existence that wont work anymore than Hitler didn't break our resolve or the Americans and the Viet Cong or the Russians and the Allies in Afghanistan. I can understand peoples frustration but it isnt easy and the police are just being used as a security blanket by the politicians to kind of show that there is something happening. sure enough there may be wrong doers and wrong thinkers in amongst those in custody but it is only as an after thought to an event. first aid security. there has got to be a sensible rethink and if Teresa May is elected with a big majority I think that she should disband all of these religious schools that is teaching a mindset that isnt English and hold the sect leaders responsible for their communities actions

[Danger-Mouse]

Is that not what i posted in post 9.

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently the MP7 is usually carried by Ministry of Defence police.

 

Post #2

[SPARKIE]

I went to alton towers today and there was quite a lot of armed police inside and outside..... all carrying glock 17's and h&k g36c's felt strange to be fair..... they had extra security on at the gates and were checking bags too.

[ordnance]

I went to alton towers today and there was quite a lot of armed police inside and outside..... all carrying glock 17's and h&k g36c's felt strange to be fair..... they had extra security on at the gates and were checking bags too.

 

I think there has to be a destination made between armed police ( Armed Response Units ) that are usually fully kitted out and very visible, and police that are always armed usually with a sidearm most people won't even notice they are armed. There is a role for both but its not available in most of the UK, i see that as a obvious disadvantage compared with N/I and other European countries.

Edited May 28, 2017 by ordnance

[saddler]

Local police station had additional security measures in place, according to front page coverage in the local weekly rag....

 

Pulled out all the stops to "reassurance the public" that measures were being taken to avert terrorist attacks.

The front page photo? Half a dozen metal crowd barriers around the police station itself. Reportedly removed within a day or so.

[hambone]

Some dont like it that the UK is a multi cultural and multi ethnic society but that's how it is. there is no way that people are going to be rounded up and kicked out because a lot of these people that some have arbitrarily deemed may not fit the pattern were born here and so might their parents. one of the son in laws works on removing people that are either criminals being deported or have overstayed their visas or some other reason. these people fight the system to the last minute and sometimes physically resist on the airplanes as well. it isnt as easy as would be thought and sometimes the countries wont accept them back. someone mentioned fred karnos and that is what it is like at the moment. all of this nonsense that is being stated by the police in the time since the event is thin. IF military police and nuclear police are being deployed who is protecting the areas where they should be? or do they not have a valid role and are just sitting about in the tea room making up the numbers. how long are they going to be seconded onto wandering around looking the part and waiting for the next big bang ? and IF and When it happens what are they going to do about it? there has been a suggestion that special forces are being used to break into suspects housing by using explosive charges to ease doors. I did notice some operatives that looked a lot more efficient and switched on wearing different kit than the usual plod gear. the only way that this situation will be resolved is to work with the local communities and to infiltrate and integrate with them. no one could be more hard on underground subversives than the Gestapo and they couldn't break the underground. As for bombing the situation out of existence that wont work anymore than Hitler didn't break our resolve or the Americans and the Viet Cong or the Russians and the Allies in Afghanistan. I can understand peoples frustration but it isnt easy and the police are just being used as a security blanket by the politicians to kind of show that there is something happening. sure enough there may be wrong doers and wrong thinkers in amongst those in custody but it is only as an after thought to an event. first aid security. there has got to be a sensible rethink and if Teresa May is elected with a big majority I think that she should disband all of these religious schools that is teaching a mindset that isnt English and hold the sect leaders responsible for their communities actions

 

Nail on head.

[ordnance]

 

 

Teresa May is elected with a big majority I think that she should disband all of these religious schools that is teaching a mindset that isnt English and hold the sect leaders responsible for their communities actions

 

If most politicians can't even bring themselves to call the Manchester bomber and others Islamist terrorists, there is not much chance of them closing religious schools. As i said before unfortunately nothing will change they will catch some, some will get trough and on it goes get used to it.

 

[Bazooka Joe]

there has got to be a sensible rethink and if Teresa May is elected with a big majority I think that she should disband all of these religious schools that is teaching a mindset that isnt English and hold the sect leaders responsible for their communities actions

 

 

Nice thought........May was home secretary for a while & did nothing then, sadly, as always the case, something has to happen before something gets done, but I'm not holding my breath but hope to be proved wrong.

[steve 88]

If it's so terrible here why don't you leave?

 

Despite some flaws I think we're genuinely in the greatest country on earth!

 

I second that !

[fortune]

If most politicians can't even bring themselves to call the Manchester bomber and others Islamist terrorists, there is not much chance of them closing religious schools. As i said before unfortunately nothing will change they will catch some, some will get trough and on it goes get used to it.

 

This is the crux of the problem. The faith of Islam is one of peace. It isn't the religion It's the nutter fringe that interpret the words in an abstract form. This is something that people fail to understand. Out in America Timothy McVeigh wasn't a follower of Islam he was just a nutter who made a truck bomb and distroyed the federal building in Oklahoma City along with killing 168 people and injuring over 600 others​. This link is an interesting read about how these nutters on the fringe are so dangerous. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

[Davyo]

 

Yes it did, but that doesn't mean they haven't done good work since then. It also doesn't mean that numerous other planned attacks haven't been foiled before they could happen, but of course you never hear about those.

 

Unfortunately the police will always be criticised for the attempts they fail to stop, but that doesn't mean they aren't working hard in the background. A friend of mine works in the police "cyber-division" and although he can't discuss details I know he makes regular reports to the intelligence services. Unfortunately resources are limited and even if we doubled the size of the police and the intelligence services there would still be atrocities because the terrorists only have to be successful once.

 

A lad I worked with a couple of months ago was telling me he'd spotted armed police around Meadowhall shopping centre in the early hours of the morning. They were obviously drilling for a terrorist event. They are out there doing what they can but unfortunately it will never be enough. Unless of course you'd like us to live under an oppressive police state?

They did a training session at Gatehead Metro Centre on the 17th May too.

[impala59]

I'm available for dads army patrol and duty after work to man/woman the local strategic points if required. I've sharpened up the axe and stuck the pitchfork into some good quality dung. I have all sorts of rifles including a 223 so I can shoot the standard 5.56x45. so I await the call to protect the local village hall. Excepting if it's raining, windy, there's footy on TV or dark.

 

Reminds me of a while back having a wonderful Bull barrel Ruger M77 in .223/5.56 Small ragged hole at 100m with federal factory, got some then current issue UK ammo which tumbled at 25m!

 

Fully Support our Police, Service personnel et al. Hope for peace be prepared for War

Edited May 28, 2017 by impala59

[Munzy]

In my opinion that says that they are doing a good job. What you can see at an airport is the same as what a terrorist can see. I am quite sure security would be in place.Even at Manchester Airport 30 years ago there were at least 5 armed officers around the El Al airlines area but why should Joe Public need to be aware of it. Things today are made too public which detracts from their effectiveness... from Auntie.

I hope so!

[Yellow Bear]

 

Nice thought........May was home secretary for a while & did nothing then, sadly, as always the case, something has to happen before something gets done, but I'm not holding my breath but hope to be proved wrong.

Sadly the problem is the mostly left leaning multi cultural PC brigade who make such a noise over even the slightest suspicion of what they call racism that the press backlash is something they do not want or need.

[clakk]

P.C is the problem in my last unit ,over 25 years ago<SLR the best rifle> Poles,English,Scots,Fijians ,Jamaicans ,Pakistani,s ,Irish,Welsh ,and even Scouser,s got on with it and did a job facing a few million hairy commies .We took the wee out of each other,s race and nationality and it was laughed at because it was banter by mates and pals who would fight for each other .

The so called P.C brigade who feel outrage for others create an atmosphere of mistrust which allows hatred to develop and be exploited by so called religious leaders brainwashing the simple into slaughtering innocents whilst keeping their evil hands clear of any blame .

[Muddy Funker]

Ministry of defence police... carry both dependant on where they are normally based

 

 

Is the correct answer.

[fortune]

Ministry of defence police... carry both dependant on where they are normally based

 

Ministry of defence police... carry both dependant on where they are normally based

Is the correct answer.

IF military police and nuclear police are being deployed who is protecting the areas where they should be? or do they not have a valid role and are just sitting about in the tea room making up the numbers. how long are they going to be seconded onto wandering around looking the part and waiting for the next big bang ? and IF and When it happens what are they going to do about it?

[ordnance]

IF military police and nuclear police are being deployed who is protecting the areas where they should be? or do they not have a valid role and are just sitting about in the tea room making up the numbers. how long are they going to be seconded onto wandering around looking the part and waiting for the next big bang ? and IF and When it happens what are they going to do about it?

Good question they could have used more military if they had wanted to, i assume the MOD police have other duties to be getting on with. If it was here they could have used the harbour police the smugglers would have liked that.

Edited May 30, 2017 by ordnance

[Walker570]

Who would you kick out.

We used to have an act of treason which carried the death penalty. However we have arrived at a situation where life is controlled by a bunch of hand wringing liberals. If someone commits acts amounting to war and I consider that is what terrorism is, then they are committing treason in my view and because now we cannot hang them as before then they should be banished from the country. Trouble is we do not have any politicians with the guts to enact it or even suggest it.