Brexit - Merged Threads

[vmaxphil]

Teresa may by chance ?

[Newbie to this]

I at this point i am not going to be happy with nothing less than a complete severing of all ties with the eu, call it what you like, a hard brexit, clean brexit, it should be a democratic brexit, may has been a remainder at heart all along, I'm fuming.

And I "suspect" your comment is bit condescending, considering you don't know anything about those you are addressing!

Why is she trying to move negotiations forward? The EU negotiators don't seem bothered, they are not trying to "move the negotiations forward"......they are effectively saying "you accede to our demands now, and we may give you something later, maybe"............no one other than a fool will go into any negotiations to buy or sell anything, without being prepared to walk away without a deal......especially if the other party won't negotiate.........if you do you will certainly end up with a carp deal!

At the moment the one thing that makes sense to me is May's statement that "no deal is better than a bad deal"

hello, i dont think we should pay any money, we take back control of our laws/ border control etc, we spend more from EU countries than they do with us so they have more to loose if any EU country tries to scupper our exit we can boycott their goods, no more spanish wine hic hic

So everything remains the same? May has on our behalf given the EU another two years of funding costing £billions and lumbered us with at least two more years of EU rule............and consequently, should the political landscape change during the next two years? As is highly likely..........the door is open to reverse Brexit........smells like a backdoor victory for the remoaners and a defeat for democracy to me?

Exactly these points, the whole thing is so anti democracy, just like the EU itself!

 

How can anybody who wanted to remain be part of the leave negotiations? Farage should have been put in control from the off, I bet they would want to negotiate then!

[12gauge82]

Is that every last one are traitorous scum............

Correct

[JohnfromUK]

Greedy beyond belief as well ..............

[JRDS]

I have sent my MP about 5 e mails............. which will be a total waste of time the whole of Parliament and the Lords is packed full of treasonous scum.

 

I believe she has truly underestimated the rage this total betrayal of democracy will cause.

Edited September 22, 2017 by JRDS

[mossy835]

they do seem to live well off us.

[JRDS]

Teresa may by chance ?

 

No every last one, all the Brexiteers have been bought off. An absolutely disgusting rejection of Democracy by scum who all have a price.

Edited September 22, 2017 by JRDS

[matone]

Yep,they`re fudging the issue,just as I always suspected that they would,sadly.....

 

It`s a shame Mr Farage hasn`t a party framework to re invigore at this pivotal moment.

Edited September 22, 2017 by matone

[12gauge82]

I have sent my MP about 5 e mails............. which will be a total waste of time the whole of Parliament and the Lords is packed full of treasonous scum.

 

I believe she has truly underestimated the rage this total betrayal of democracy will cause.

It may well be but if everyone wrote to their mp it would make a difference, I'll do the same thing tomorrow 👍

[neutron619]

It may well be but if everyone wrote to their mp it would make a difference, I'll do the same thing tomorrow

 

+1

 

It's a **** ing disgrace.

 

There are a million British tommies spinning in their graves tonight, wondering what the hell they died for if we were just going to sell out to the Germans anyway.

 

Let me be clear: these people do not love freedom. They do not love democracy. They do not love proper human rights, by which I mean the British Habeus Corpus, not the legalistic European kind that protects terrorists over the innocent. These "commisioners" need to be resisted at all costs.

 

Britain may never be "great" again, in the sense of having an empire or ruling the world, but we do not need to be. We have a history and a culture which has balanced the needs of the nation against the needs of the individual and - until relatively recently - has achieved this to a degree superior to every other country's attempt. This is greatness. This is why - in spite of our undoubted decline and our decadence, our country is still known and respected and admired across the world. Our respect for individual freedom and the rule of law has never been surpassed.

 

In capitulating to the EU, these things continue, drip by drip, day by day, to be lost. This must be stopped.

[AVB]

I have sent my MP about 5 e mails............. which will be a total waste of time the whole of Parliament and the Lords is packed full of treasonous scum.

 

I believe she has truly underestimated the rage this total betrayal of democracy will cause.

 

 

Rage? yet you are writing some e-mails. Kick some doors in. You're from Burnley after all.

[JRDS]

We need a new Political party desperately, if Macron can do it in France we can do it here. I truly despise what she has done today aided and supported by her treachorous cabinet.

 

Our only hope is the arrogance of the EU.

 

 

Rage? yet you are writing some e-mails. Kick some doors in. You're from Burnley after all.

 

Yawn....from someone who lives in Essex change the record. I would imagine there are 17.4 million people + are fairly enraged right now.

 

This is a very long way from being over.

Edited September 22, 2017 by JRDS

[das]

Yep,they`re fudging the issue,just as I always suspected that they would,sadly.....

 

It`s a shame Mr Farage hasn`t a party framework to re invigore at this pivotal moment.

 

+1

[Aled]

Now what you really you need to do is overcome the ever increasing apathy amongst the UK voting public.

Cheers

Aled

[JRDS]

 

 

Rage? yet you are writing some e-mails. Kick some doors in. You're from Burnley after all.

There is not another country in the EU that would pee on us if we were on fire, they hold us in total contempt. We have always been and only ever will be a cash cow and a European benefits and health care agency paid for the the long suffering mugged off UK Taxpayer.

 

Not sure I see a single benefit from this truly corrupt entity we pay Billions into and the Billions we spend to support its Nationals whilst putting housing through the roof and depressing wages for our own for the benefit of business.

 

How does anyone comprehend it's a remotely good thing for the working UK Taxpayer.

 

I can only concude you benefit personally from membership at the UK Taxpayers expense, you are certainly arrogant enough in your posts to suggest that.

Edited September 22, 2017 by JRDS

[12gauge82]

 

+1

 

It's a **** ing disgrace.

 

There are a million British tommies spinning in their graves tonight, wondering what the hell they died for if we were just going to sell out to the Germans anyway.

 

Let me be clear: these people do not love freedom. They do not love democracy. They do not love proper human rights, by which I mean the British Habeus Corpus, not the legalistic European kind that protects terrorists over the innocent. These "commisioners" need to be resisted at all costs.

 

Britain may never be "great" again, in the sense of having an empire or ruling the world, but we do not need to be. We have a history and a culture which has balanced the needs of the nation against the needs of the individual and - until relatively recently - has achieved this to a degree superior to every other country's attempt. This is greatness. This is why - in spite of our undoubted decline and our decadence, our country is still known and respected and admired across the world. Our respect for individual freedom and the rule of law has never been surpassed.

 

In capitulating to the EU, these things continue, drip by drip, day by day, to be lost. This must be stopped.

Very very good post

[AVB]

There is not another country in the EU that would pee on us if we were on fire, they hold us in total contempt. We have always been and only ever will be a cash cow and a European benefits and health care agency paid for the the long suffering mugged off UK Taxpayer.

 

Not sure I see a single benefit from this truly corrupt entity we pay Billions into and the Billions we spend to support its Nationals whilst putting housing through the roof.

 

How does anyone comprehend it's a remotely good thing for the working UK Taxpayer.

 

I can only concude you benefit personally from membership at the UK Taxpayers expense.

Not at all. If we had another vote today I would vote to leave. However I am a realist in respect of what we need to do in order to get a good deal for us.

 

You seem very angry. Well do something about it. Blockade parliament or stage a protest if you feel that strongly. I mean 300,000 people signed a petition regarding Uber loosing their licence. Yet what will middle England do about their dissatisfaction over what they see happening with the EU?

[matone]

 

+1

 

It's a **** ing disgrace.

 

There are a million British tommies spinning in their graves tonight, wondering what the hell they died for if we were just going to sell out to the Germans anyway.

 

Let me be clear: these people do not love freedom. They do not love democracy. They do not love proper human rights, by which I mean the British Habeus Corpus, not the legalistic European kind that protects terrorists over the innocent. These "commisioners" need to be resisted at all costs.

 

Britain may never be "great" again, in the sense of having an empire or ruling the world, but we do not need to be. We have a history and a culture which has balanced the needs of the nation against the needs of the individual and - until relatively recently - has achieved this to a degree superior to every other country's attempt. This is greatness. This is why - in spite of our undoubted decline and our decadence, our country is still known and respected and admired across the world. Our respect for individual freedom and the rule of law has never been surpassed.

 

In capitulating to the EU, these things continue, drip by drip, day by day, to be lost. This must be stopped.

Very good post !

[JRDS]

Not at all. If we had another vote today I would vote to leave. However I am a realist in respect of what we need to do in order to get a good deal for us.

 

You seem very angry. Well do something about it. Blockade parliament or stage a protest if you feel that strongly. I mean 300,000 people signed a petition regarding Uber loosing their licence. Yet what will middle England do about their dissatisfaction over what they see happening with the EU?

 

There is absolutely nothing we can do as an SGC / FAC holders, the march against the Hunting ban had zilch influence.

 

 

We don't have a single party that represents us. I truly despair.

Edited September 22, 2017 by JRDS

[krugerandsmith]

So everything remains the same? May has on our behalf given the EU another two years of funding costing £billions and lumbered us with at least two more years of EU rule............and consequently, should the political landscape change during the next two years? As is highly likely..........the door is open to reverse Brexit........smells like a backdoor victory for the remoaners and a defeat for democracy to me?

 

 

As Mrs May was making her speech I could have sworn I heard Elvis singing Suspicion in the background. To me it looks like this fiasco is going to drag on for at least five years by which time a lot of us older leavers will be dead. Then the EU will offer us breadcrumbs and our Government will say "What a good deal" we will have a second vote. The EU gravy train will get up a full head of steam and keep on rolling.

[mossberg-operator]

Remainer EU citizen here. She is our elected leader - as I was told here a year ago- so we have to do as She says, unlike the unelected EU leaders...oh, no, they are the same. Politicians, CAN NOT be trusted from either side. Her speach doesn't contain anything concrete. Only empty promises/phrases. She is in a tight position, she won't be able please everyone. So, everyone gonna loath her. From each side. She hasn't offered the same rights to exisiting EU citizens living here at the moment. This could be done half a year ago. Also to fulfill existing financial commitments. (Contract). Negotiations won't go ahead until these are settled. EU wants these, UK wants trade, goods. This situation is called reality check. For all of us.

[panoma1]

At last someone has mentioned the infrastructure and built environment in EU member countries that the UK has, through our payments to the EU, contributed financially to! Surely the EU will be required to buy out the UK's stake in them?

 

So we will give them £18billion......and as an initial 'negotiating' position.......they can give us £300billion plus!

 

Now that's a negotiating position!

[TIGHTCHOKE]

At last someone has mentioned the infrastructure and built environment in EU member countries that the UK has, through our payments to the EU, contributed financially to! Surely the EU will be required to buy out the UK's stake in them?

 

So we will give them £18billion......and as an initial 'negotiating' position.......they can give us £300billion plus!

 

Now that's a negotiating position!

 

Indeed, unfortunately I can't see the squadron of flying pigs being dragged out of the hangar!

[12gauge82]

At last someone has mentioned the infrastructure and built environment in EU member countries that the UK has, through our payments to the EU, contributed financially to! Surely the EU will be required to buy out the UK's stake in them?

 

So we will give them £18billion......and as an initial 'negotiating' position.......they can give us £300billion plus!

 

Now that's a negotiating position!

And that's exactly what our starting position should have been.

I just hope everyone shows their displeasure at the ballot box, my cross is going to UKIP at the next election, unless farage starts a new party by then.

[poontang]

Remainer EU citizen here.

 

Stop it now... there's no such thing as a 'EU' citizen.

 

You, like so many remainers are confusing the continent of Europe with the incontinent EU.

 

Next you'll be telling us that Mexicans are citizens of NAFTA!!