super sharp shooter Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 What’s you views on deadbolting your rifle. I was out stalking this morning with a mate who always deadbolt and says it’s perfectly safe. I’m not a fan myself so just adsking what others do. SSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 What do you mean by dead bolting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Over 40yrs of stalking /rifle shooting never come across the term ..explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted December 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) He puts the round in the chamber and puts the bolt down. So all he has to do is lift the bolt handle up to activate the pin. Baybe its it’s not called deadbolting Edited December 22, 2017 by super sharp shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, super sharp shooter said: He puts the round in the chamber and puts the bolt down. So all he has to do is lift the bolt handle up to activate the pin. Baybe its it’s not called deadbolting He puts the round in the chamber and closes the bolt whilst pulling the trigger to make it like fired ? If so he’s an idiot. Apologies if I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted December 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Yes that’s what he does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moor man Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Mmmmmm? Sounds well dodgy to me? Never heard or seen anyone do this and would think twice before stalking with anyone I didn't trust 110%... Have a quiet word maybe?..... What's wrong with his safety catch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 A primary rule, never rely on the safety catch? So I was told and believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moor man Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Just now, old man said: A primary rule, never rely on the safety catch? So I was told and believe. +1.... muzzle awareness at all times, unload when required etc.....but walking round with one in the chamber, firing pin resting on a live round and no safety on???? All needs to happen is a bump or trip. Makes me cold thinking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 I allways carried my rifles in condition 2. Bolt closed and locked on an empty chamber with a loaded magazine . To shoot just draw the bolt back and chamber a round . To carry the way the op said is about as dangerous as it gets , harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
besty57 Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Sounds like an accident waiting to happen, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 I have seen people do just that but didn't recognise the verbal description. My question is, why? Your rifle has a safety catch, but has been said ..muzzle awareness at all times. When stalking with a guide, I would press the rounds down and slide the bolt forward on an empty chamber. Then feed a round just before needing to shoot. I have hunted with a single shot break open for the last 30yrs and yes, I have a cartridge in the chamber when on my own but again if I am following a guide I have the chamber empty unless he indicates otherwise, then doubly aware of where my rifle is pointing. I cannot see how the idea is any more dangerous than a rifle cocked on a safety catch to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, moor man said: +1.... muzzle awareness at all times, unload when required etc.....but walking round with one in the chamber, firing pin resting on a live round and no safety on???? All needs to happen is a bump or trip. Makes me cold thinking about it. That's the way I understand it, any sharp bump and the rifle could fire. It also has essentially bypassed the safety catch as the firing pin is already in the fired position so doesn't need to move as its already forward all it needs is a bump The way u describe it they're is no way I wold be closing the bolt and squezzing the trigger on a live round It may depend on the make of rifle thou, I think that Blasers and possibly some other rifles it is possibly to 'de cock' the bolt and I have also heard of some safety's that somehow blocks the bullet primer rather than locking the firing pin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 I have seen this done on BRNO/CZ .22 RF rifles - you keep the trigger pulled as you move the bolt forwards so the firing pin simply rests on the rim of the round - to cock the gun you then just have to lift the bolt and drop it again. Cannot really see any advantages over a safety catch but I'm guessing that a sharp knock on the rear of the firing pin will discharge the round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 my ruger has a 2 stage safety stage one safety on trigger can,t be pulled stage 2 trigger can,t be pulled and the bolt is locked in the closed position the way I carry if accompanied is empty chamber safety on stage 2 so the bolt can not be operated without physically disengaging the safety 2 clicks then opening bolt and chamber round the old saying you can never be too careful especially applies to al firearms I.M.H.O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) It's not a recommended practice. Whilst the probability is that it would be highly unlikely for even a sharp bump to set the primer off as it takes quite a strike to force the primer case onto the primer anvil, the fact remains, someone is walking about with a round chambered on a CF, no means of making intrinsically safe and complacency can set in. If you have to lift the bolt to cock the mechanism, then it is hardly much more effort to chamber a round from the magazine which is intrinsically safer. It is probably better practice to have a round chambered, rifle cocked and safety applied than having a "dead bolt" with the firing pin up against the primer. I have no issues stalking with people who carry a rifle with a chambered round providing the the safety is applied and that they practice good muzzle awareness at all times. When shooting deer like Munty, sometimes all you get is a very quick window of opportunity so rifle up, safety off and squeeze the trigger. All of this pre-supposes good backstops and that the shot is safe to take. Edited December 22, 2017 by Savhmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 4 hours ago, super sharp shooter said: He puts the round in the chamber and puts the bolt down. So all he has to do is lift the bolt handle up to activate the pin. Baybe its it’s not called deadbolting People have been doing it for years, mostly older stalkers, each time someone explains it to me it never sounds any safer than the last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 The rifle rattling round in the truck in Oz was always like that. Not when I was in the truck because I didn't like it. Can't see the benefit myself, only the dangerous side to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 Yes seen it refused to guide them until they had safe rifle. Some have been sent home before we left the car park claim its safe. A firing fully forward against a live primer is down right dangerous if the rifle is dropped it can easily strike the primer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 Why would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 it is done a lot over in Europe. safety really only stops the bolt opening, unless you have a firing pin locking type safety. i can see their point on it but then i can also see other problems happening. most of our shooting is the stalk and we have time to slip a quite round in if your climbing fences and hedges. over there its more of see it shoot it. each to their own and all that but im happy slipping a quite one in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 One of the reasons I believe Blaser rifles are great. When on “safe” it de cocks so no chance to fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 I’ve got a steyr with the SBS system which is about as safe as it gets without keeping the bullets out of the gun. Even with one up the spout. So you’ve got live, safe so the trigger can’t be pulled and then safe with firing pin out of alignment so in the event that the firing pin somehow managed to discharge whilst safe it wouldn’t physically be able to strike the primer. Still if you haven’t got a bullet in the breech you can’t accidentally discharge it can you. Even if you decide to use it to hammer nails into a fence post ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 A fair few European rifles now over a decock option which is good option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpy22 Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 shot with a guy that does it. always had my concerns certainly not an option for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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