Old Boggy Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 42 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Lovely looking little gun very understated caliber 😊👍 thanks for posting 👍 Thanks OF. I’ve shot with 16 bore side by sides for nearly 50 years and would never be without at least a couple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 A nice old girl that with care will practically last forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Was gifted this little 20g today and will be trying it out on some clays tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr.C said: Was gifted this little 20g today and will be trying it out on some clays tomorrow. I wish I had such lovely friends to gift me one of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Mate I shoot clays with has sadly decided to give up his ticket. The 20 has some pitting in the barrels but, as far as I'm concerned to good to chop. Shoots fine just unsaleable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Side by sides mmmmmmm my business started predominantly selling side by sides we’ve got Dozens! I’d be interested i Love my Hammerguns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) After 19 months, after the original set of barrels failed proof for HP steel, after another set of barrels were made in spain and the gun re-imported, it's actually now mine. Luckily, with the joy of insurance, I ended up with a pretty much "new" AYA #1 round body, self opening, articulated front trigger for the price of a 1985 gun. Proofed for HP steel, action fully refurbed. On a side note, the shop said they now refuse to try to reproof anything at half/half, they go for 1/4,1/4 choke. Of 30 attempts at proofing at 1/2, they lost 3 sets of barrels. Since they now do 1/4, they lost none. Second gun is a 1937 Churchill XXV we bought for my wife (do not go shopping with your wife :-)), she loves shooting a Winchester SxS (24" barrels!) but the re-cocking is monstrously hard, this one has the same measurements mostly, but is butter smooth, and it looks fantastic with barely any wear and the action open/close/eject is like butter! Edited September 4, 2021 by buze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 It looks lovely (they both do). Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 9 hours ago, buze said: After 19 months, after the original set of barrels failed proof for HP steel, after another set of barrels were made in spain and the gun re-imported, it's actually now mine. Luckily, with the joy of insurance, I ended up with a pretty much "new" AYA #1 round body, self opening, articulated front trigger for the price of a 1985 gun. Proofed for HP steel, action fully refurbed. On a side note, the shop said they now refuse to try to reproof anything at half/half, they go for 1/4,1/4 choke. Of 30 attempts at proofing at 1/2, they lost 3 sets of barrels. Since they now do 1/4, they lost none. Second gun is a 1937 Churchill XXV we bought for my wife (do not go shopping with your wife :-)), she loves shooting a Winchester SxS (24" barrels!) but the re-cocking is monstrously hard, this one has the same measurements mostly, but is butter smooth, and it looks fantastic with barely any wear and the action open/close/eject is like butter! Beautiful You still got the 32" arrieta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 9 hours ago, buze said: this one has the same measurements mostly, but is butter smooth, and it looks fantastic with barely any wear and the action open/close/eject is like butter! I am guessing that your (your wife's) Churchill will in fact be Birmingham made for Churchill (an expert could tell you who made it, but companies such as AA Brown and others made for the big names). As such it comes from a trade that knew the quality boxlock better than anywhere for a great many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 Well done, Buze, a very nice outcome to an horrendous situation. And the little Churchill is beautiful, right up my street. I dislike the Winchester SxS intensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 2 hours ago, button said: Beautiful You still got the 32" arrieta? No! That's another story for you. The one I "bought" was in fact AYA made, like new (shot 4 times). So I bought it, but didn't take delivery, as I found the trigger a bit "floppy" -- there was a bit of play on it, and since I have a light finger, that was not nice at all. So off it goes to the gunsmith. Lockdown occurs, gun's away, as soon as I can get back to the shop I return and find immediately that 1) first trigger pull is now quite crisp (bit too much?) but 2) SECOND pull on that single trigger is floppy. Doh. Off the guns goes back to the gunsmith. Another lockdown later, I return and now, in the shop, with snapcaps, both pulls are now crisp. Hurrah! Off I go to a test shoot, the skeet range will do... and on the first pair I realise that the second trigger is now so crisp you need to pull like a donkey to trigger it, needless to say, the muzzle wobbles like crazy and it makes the gun pretty much unusable. So the recoil must be doing something to re-cock even more. Luckily, one instructor tried the gun and found the same problem, so it wasn't just "me" So, having lost confidence completely, I got a refund for that gun, promising myself I wouldn't even glance at a single-trigger SxS ever again. 2 days later, the shop with the AYA calls saying the gun was coming back from spain, and I still had first refusal on it! Pfew :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 34 minutes ago, buze said: No! That's another story for you. The one I "bought" was in fact AYA made, like new (shot 4 times). So I bought it, but didn't take delivery, as I found the trigger a bit "floppy" -- there was a bit of play on it, and since I have a light finger, that was not nice at all. So off it goes to the gunsmith. Lockdown occurs, gun's away, as soon as I can get back to the shop I return and find immediately that 1) first trigger pull is now quite crisp (bit too much?) but 2) SECOND pull on that single trigger is floppy. Doh. Off the guns goes back to the gunsmith. Another lockdown later, I return and now, in the shop, with snapcaps, both pulls are now crisp. Hurrah! Off I go to a test shoot, the skeet range will do... and on the first pair I realise that the second trigger is now so crisp you need to pull like a donkey to trigger it, needless to say, the muzzle wobbles like crazy and it makes the gun pretty much unusable. So the recoil must be doing something to re-cock even more. Luckily, one instructor tried the gun and found the same problem, so it wasn't just "me" So, having lost confidence completely, I got a refund for that gun, promising myself I wouldn't even glance at a single-trigger SxS ever again. 2 days later, the shop with the AYA calls saying the gun was coming back from spain, and I still had first refusal on it! Pfew 🙂 Result! Like the case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, button said: Like the case! It looks identical to an AyA case I have that was (I'm told by ASI) made here in the UK for AyA (or ASI). My case is about the same date (mid 1980s) as Buze's gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 21 hours ago, buze said: After 19 months, after the original set of barrels failed proof for HP steel, after another set of barrels were made in spain and the gun re-imported, it's actually now mine. Luckily, with the joy of insurance, I ended up with a pretty much "new" AYA #1 round body, self opening, articulated front trigger for the price of a 1985 gun. Proofed for HP steel, action fully refurbed. On a side note, the shop said they now refuse to try to reproof anything at half/half, they go for 1/4,1/4 choke. Of 30 attempts at proofing at 1/2, they lost 3 sets of barrels. Since they now do 1/4, they lost none. Second gun is a 1937 Churchill XXV we bought for my wife (do not go shopping with your wife :-)), she loves shooting a Winchester SxS (24" barrels!) but the re-cocking is monstrously hard, this one has the same measurements mostly, but is butter smooth, and it looks fantastic with barely any wear and the action open/close/eject is like butter! Fantastic looking guns 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted September 6, 2021 Report Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 05/09/2021 at 07:46, JohnfromUK said: I am guessing that your (your wife's) Churchill will in fact be Birmingham made for Churchill (an expert could tell you who made it, but companies such as AA Brown and others made for the big names). As such it comes from a trade that knew the quality boxlock better than anywhere for a great many years. Wrights in Birmingham made guns for Churchill before they were taken over by them . Even when they were Churchill owned many in the trade still called them Wrights .They were in Bath St before the move across town to Orange Sq in the jewellery quarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexTom Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 This thread has actually led me to joining this forum… I may only be 22 but all I use is side by sides! I have 3 at the moment… an AYA No.3 that’s my wet weather/ fowling gun, a 1948 Webley & Scott Mod. 700 that’s my main gun for clays and game, and an 1885 Trulock & Harris hammer gun that’s an heirloom used for special occasions! I’ve found a 28” barrelled side by side is perfect for me, with 21g 7.5’s for clays and 28g 6’s for game doing the job in most situations I’ve found. I’ve attached photos of the Webley & AYA as best as I can! 1948 Webley & Scott Mod. 700 AYA No. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 7 hours ago, WessexTom said: 21g 7.5’s for clays and 28g 6’s for game doing the job in most situations I’ve found. The same loads I and I think many others use. Well suited to the nice guns you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 21 hours ago, WessexTom said: This thread has actually led me to joining this forum… I may only be 22 but all I use is side by sides! I have 3 at the moment… an AYA No.3 that’s my wet weather/ fowling gun, a 1948 Webley & Scott Mod. 700 that’s my main gun for clays and game, and an 1885 Trulock & Harris hammer gun that’s an heirloom used for special occasions! I’ve found a 28” barrelled side by side is perfect for me, with 21g 7.5’s for clays and 28g 6’s for game doing the job in most situations I’ve found. I’ve attached photos of the Webley & AYA as best as I can! 1948 Webley & Scott Mod. 700 AYA No. 3 Good guns to own,a 700 is hard to beat in the value for money stakes,they always seem to shoot really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexTom Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 16 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: The same loads I and I think many others use. Well suited to the nice guns you have. They are the standard I think… I was taught by my Grandad that an ounce of 6’s will cover most bases so it’s what I’ve stuck to as it works for me! And thank you… they do me proud so I can’t complain! 2 hours ago, matone said: Good guns to own,a 700 is hard to beat in the value for money stakes,they always seem to shoot really well. I shoot better with mine than any other gun I’ve used, and to own a proper bit of English gun making heritage for much less than a new mass produced OU it’s a no- brainer for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 11 hours ago, WessexTom said: They are the standard I think… I was taught by my Grandad that an ounce of 6’s will cover most bases so it’s what I’ve stuck to as it works for me! And thank you… they do me proud so I can’t complain! I shoot better with mine than any other gun I’ve used, and to own a proper bit of English gun making heritage for much less than a new mass produced OU it’s a no- brainer for me I could not agree more with both your statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexTom Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, London Best said: I could not agree more with both your statements. Thank you… I always try to follow good advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinkerWatson Posted October 13, 2021 Report Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just got my first side by side today. Nothing fancy but I wanted something cheap to open up another slot on my certificate and something I could use round our pond and do a bit of rough shooting with. Never heard of the make before and can't really find much on Internet about it. The makers name seems to be Bignotti. Anyone able to shed any light on them or has anyone owned one of these before? Pics aren't great but I will try and take a couple of clearer pictures tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin55 Posted October 14, 2021 Report Share Posted October 14, 2021 18 hours ago, WinkerWatson said: Just got my first side by side today. Nothing fancy but I wanted something cheap to open up another slot on my certificate and something I could use round our pond and do a bit of rough shooting with. Never heard of the make before and can't really find much on Internet about it. The makers name seems to be Bignotti. Anyone able to shed any light on them or has anyone owned one of these before? Pics aren't great but I will try and take a couple of clearer pictures tomorrow. Presumably Presumably Bignotti are the makers, from the same area in Italy where Beretta originate, Gardone VT Armi is arms in Italian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinkerWatson Posted October 14, 2021 Report Share Posted October 14, 2021 Seems to have been made in 1960 going by the numerals XVI which are stamped on it. Will get it out on Saturday for a few shots and see how I get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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