Slow day in the gunshop ... or ...

[Hamster]

2 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

I was told they are clamping down on FAC holders who are using a farm to get there FAC but when plod phones up and ask when was the last time the holder shot there and the farmer says he hasn't for ages they revoking there FAC lack of use dont need it 

 

These were almost the exact words of my FEO who also the time before last renewal gave me a friendly warning about my low rimfire ammo purchase, although I agree 500 rounds can take for ever if you only use them for actual vermin control I have since upped my useage and simply use the gun a lot more for general plinking too. 

[hawkfanz]

i know someone in in cheshire area who had grief over lack of use on renewal,dont know if he kept calibre or lost though,that was last year.

[Green hornet]

 Well I’m ******** then my licence has no ammo purchases written on.I  reload my own and expanding bullets no longer need to be written 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Hamster said:

These were almost the exact words of my FEO who also the time before last renewal gave me a friendly warning about my low rimfire ammo purchase, although I agree 500 rounds can take for ever if you only use them for actual vermin control I have since upped my useage and simply use the gun a lot more for general plinking too. 

This is why I blat through a few hundred over year 'zero-ing'.

[team tractor]

1 hour ago, Green hornet said:

 Well I’m ******** then my licence has no ammo purchases written on.I  reload my own and expanding bullets no longer need to be written 

My rfd still writes them on to cover everyone plus it’s logged on his system . 

You can refuse but it’s not for his benefit. 

[Gu5]

So if you’re the worlds worst shot it now looks better than if you hit everything first go, that’s madness. 

Based on this, shouldn’t people using loads be monitored too?

[sandspider]

I was told that my ammo allowance could be lowered at next renewal. No mention of removing the slot(s) though...

Edited July 6, 2018 by sandspider

[blackbird]

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Edited July 6, 2018 by blackbird

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, DC177 said:

This is why I blat through a few hundred over year 'zero-ing'.

+1

[martyn2233]

I’m stuffed then last renewal in April I never had one shot no ammo purchased in last 5 years nothing happened then plus added 308 

[norfolk dumpling]

Dosn't the law have better things to do with their time than monitoring shell useage - like catching 'county lines' drug/knife crime kids? This is a bit like saying if your car only did 500 miles between MOT's you lose your licence and have to get a bus.

[Old farrier]

Sorry chaps 

good reason means just that 

if you have a good reason to acquire a 243 ie deer stalking and you haven’t acquired it 2.1/2 years later you didn’t have a good reason as for ammunition usage it’s a case of use it or lose it talk to you flo upon renewal and establish what you use it for and the expectations of ammunition use especially if you Reloding your own 

i personally keep a log with all data and amounts loaded and have never had a problem 

please don’t expect a grant of hundreds of rounds if you only fire 5 a year 

we live in different times

all the best 

of 

27 minutes ago, norfolk dumpling said:

Dosn't the law have better things to do with their time than monitoring shell useage - like catching 'county lines' drug/knife crime kids? This is a bit like saying if your car only did 500 miles between MOT's you lose your licence and have to get a bus.

Would you expect them to let you keep 1000 gallons of petrol incase you decide to use it more? 

[Retsdon]

Excuse my ignorance, but can they actually do this legally?  If you're deemed sufficiently responsible to own a firearm, and if you have permission and access to use it on ground that's been deemed suitable, how on earth can an FCO arbitrarily pull from the sky a number of rounds that you're mandated to discharge on that land. Sorry, but that's nonsense.

[Old farrier]

16 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Excuse my ignorance, but can they actually do this legally?  If you're deemed sufficiently responsible to own a firearm, and if you have permission and access to use it on ground that's been deemed suitable, how on earth can an FCO arbitrarily pull from the sky a number of rounds that you're mandated to discharge on that land. Sorry, but that's nonsense.

They can do what they see fit in the interest of public safety 

if you express a good reason to have and use a firearm on a piece of ground or a club and don’t use it !!! You don’t have a good reason 

im afraid saying you want a elephant gun just incase there’s a maurauding elephant on your permission won’t do 

sadly nonsense or not they make and interpret the rules as they see fit 

a classic example is the deer stalking certificate 

If you haven’t done the course in my area you won’t get a deer caliber rifle sanctioned for deer 

[Retsdon]

4 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

They can do what they see fit in the interest of public safety 

Not quite sure how public safety is being jeopardized by someone shooting four foxes a year rather than forty. 

[Old farrier]

1 minute ago, Retsdon said:

Not quite sure how public safety is being jeopardized by someone shooting four foxes a year rather than forty. 

 

1 minute ago, Retsdon said:

Not quite sure how public safety is being jeopardized by someone shooting four foxes a year rather than forty. 

But plinking off the other 186 rounds or not being very proficient because you only use the rifle once a year 

who is the safest 

the man who shoots 250 foxes or the man who shoots 4 ? 

Your flo has to make this desision 

Please remember the powers that be want any excuse to get rid of legally held guns 

Im  sure there are plenty of Fox /deer caliber rifles that haven’t come out of the cabinet for years for various reasons no danger to public safety but why do people keep them just incase 

the original post was a gentle warning that half way through a grant the slot hadn’t been filled think about it does the good reason still exist 

just my thoughts 

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[button]

23 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

They can do what they see fit in the interest of public safety 

if you express a good reason to have and use a firearm on a piece of ground or a club and don’t use it !!! You don’t have a good reason 

im afraid saying you want a elephant gun just incase there’s a maurauding elephant on your permission won’t do 

sadly nonsense or not they make and interpret the rules as they see fit 

a classic example is the deer stalking certificate 

If you haven’t done the course in my area you won’t get a deer caliber rifle sanctioned for deer 

When did it become a requirement to have your DSC? 

[Retsdon]

17 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Please remember the powers that be want any excuse to get rid of legally held guns 

Exactly! So - and no offence intended - why justify their pretexts? Why shouldn't a proven responsible person not have a .222 in his cabinet to shoot the odd fox on his ground? Because the next logical progression from a minimum round count is that nobody at all but a specially certified and licensed vermin 'controller' should be granted a firearms certificate for foxes, and that rifles for deer stalking only be allowed to those who can demonstrate that they pay for sporting rights on  nationally certified ground. And any other application will forthwith be considered negatively.

Once you concede the first step it's not the end of the war  - you' just find yourself battling not to concede the second step, and so on and so forth. Logically, it can be argued that any firearm at all is a potential threat to public safety. So it's futile to argue on those terms. Far better to argue on the basis of principle. It' shouldn't be up to the Powers That Be to grant selected individuals the favour of a license. It should be their responsibility to say why you CAN'T have one.
 

[Old farrier]

4 hours ago, button said:

When did it become a requirement to have your DSC? 

It is here 

feel free to argue the point of law with my flo and watch him dig his heels in 

biggest waste of money I’ve ever had however I’ve done the course and got the slot and filled it 

[Dekers]

Of course this can happen, but frankly I think most regions/FEO are hard pressed to get on with their work already without spending much time looking at part term ammo usage!

[Rim Fire]

All  bullet heads i buy weather it be 17 /243 /.22 rimfire/or 308 are all written  on my FAC by the shop i got them from so they can see what you use in the 5 yr period 

Edited July 8, 2018 by Rim Fire

[ShootingEgg]

On 07/07/2018 at 13:44, button said:

When did it become a requirement to have your DSC? 

Nothing to do with a requirement unfortunately, I had to do a centre fire awareness course, now people in my area have to do dsc1. Its the interpretation by indavidual forces and if you say no, they say no. You have no way of winning the arguement. 

[Green hornet]

43 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

Nothing to do with a requirement unfortunately, I had to do a centre fire awareness course, now people in my area have to do dsc1. Its the interpretation by indavidual forces and if you say no, they say no. You have no way of winning the arguement. 

I was given the choice at the time find someone that’s done the course to mentor you for awhile or do the dsc1.I went the mentor route and they was happy with that. 

[ShootingEgg]

50 minutes ago, Green hornet said:

I was given the choice at the time find someone that’s done the course to mentor you for awhile or do the dsc1.I went the mentor route and they was happy with that. 

Don't get mentor option now, as its easy to fill in a spreadsheet to say you've been out.. Bit harder to get a dsc cert 

[bumpy22]

3 hours ago, Green hornet said:

I was given the choice at the time find someone that’s done the course to mentor you for awhile or do the dsc1.I went the mentor route and they was happy with that. 

best option from what i have heard. rather learn from someone who knows what there doing in the field than a textbook to be fair you will learn things on the course dates etc that you may not of had stuck in your head before