Lloyd90 Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 They wouldn’t be the first shoot to ‘accidently’ have some dogs run through a surrounding wood pushing birds onto the land that they’re shooting. You kind of have to be on edge now to watch they don’t just continue to use your land anyway. Id lookout to be receptive of an apology, and look to re-negotiate the deal back into your favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Walker570 said: 100% Classic example of how to lose friends and make enemies. I would be tempted to feed up and shoot everything I see, that is after telling them their extra drive no longer exists. And if they have any drives close, get the clays out and let rip for a hour on shoot days. Nothing like early shots to mess up a drive. But I'd expect an apology soon tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 6 hours ago, panoma1 said: Expect a visit from the shoot captain, cap in hand and "eating crow!" Be sure to let us all know what they say when they pop round, you should be able to sort yourself a few days free shooting, anything less close the gate son! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 18 hours ago, B725 said: On your land they are ok for you to shoot but if the dead or pricked bird lands on their side you cannot retrieve it without permission Same goes for them, they also can't retreive from your land without permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 hour ago, rimfire4969 said: Same goes for them, they also can't retreive from your land without permission. But they will by sounds of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haynes Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 We have a shoot next door. With one of there drives being a piece of wood that has two side bordering our fields. It started off can they put a picker up in our field. Of course they can. But just the one. Anyway over the season it went from one picker up to 3 guns stood in our field and ended with them dogging in a piece of our railway and two fields. Thats where it stopped. Now they loose a lot of 'there' birds over our farm. Tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 did this issue get resolved to everyone's satisfaction ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, mel b3 said: did this issue get resolved to everyone's satisfaction ?. Last post was on September the 5th, it would be nice to know the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyet Posted October 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Apologies for the delay in updating, been busy @ work 7 a couple of trips North for Salmon now the rain has come. In a short word, no, the new "regime" have seemingly gone out of their way to alienate not just me but the other landowners in the area. I had a chat with the keeper shortly after my original post explaining our position & asking him to justify his request (which for obvious reasons he could not), he became rude & abusive at which point I informed him that as no agreement was in place then he would not be shooting from our land as the previous lads had. This did not go down too well, not quite sure what he expected, & we parted company. Last laugh goes to us though, in order to fit an extra drive in he has altered things around which results in most of the birds from the first flush flying back over the beaters into the safety & comfort of our land where they seem to be quite happy!! Basically I get the impression he is just an a$$hole who does not have a clue how operate in the countryside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Thanks for updating us, it does indeed appear that he is not the full ticket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, Sawyet said: Last laugh goes to us though, in order to fit an extra drive in he has altered things around which results in most of the birds from the first flush flying back over the beaters into the safety & comfort of our land where they seem to be quite happy!! You will no doubt be needing more feeders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Thank you for the update ,it was a very interesting thread. The keeper seems to have done himself no favours at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Looks like you will have a few nice days yourself with your neighbors birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 15/10/2018 at 11:10, Sawyet said: Apologies for the delay in updating, been busy @ work 7 a couple of trips North for Salmon now the rain has come. In a short word, no, the new "regime" have seemingly gone out of their way to alienate not just me but the other landowners in the area. I had a chat with the keeper shortly after my original post explaining our position & asking him to justify his request (which for obvious reasons he could not), he became rude & abusive at which point I informed him that as no agreement was in place then he would not be shooting from our land as the previous lads had. This did not go down too well, not quite sure what he expected, & we parted company. Last laugh goes to us though, in order to fit an extra drive in he has altered things around which results in most of the birds from the first flush flying back over the beaters into the safety & comfort of our land where they seem to be quite happy!! Basically I get the impression he is just an a$$hole who does not have a clue how operate in the countryside. Sounds like you should get a few mates round and when they do the new drive have a few shots yourselves, then wander off laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Mice! said: Sounds like you should get a few mates round and when they do the new drive have a few shots yourselves, then wander off laughing. Get the whole Welsh PW Contingent out and line your border with guns a ready! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 Unbelievable, but probably not. Have the same problem now sorted. My wife found one gun from local shoot picking up in our wood when they had specifically been told no access. She voiced her concern and one gun shouted "F off you stupod old cow" and a day later the shoot captaion did call to apologise. I asked if the gun in question was still a shoot member and he said he was. I told him that in the case I rejected his apology and he went away. If one of my guns had done that or even less abusive he would have been told to walk, there and then and don't return. A few 45 gallon drum feeders needed i think. As they say in the USA ...."ENJOY!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 Although this guy sounds like a bit of a plank, its like Vince Green said “They may be plonkers but be careful not to start a war” if the keeper is full time he will be around the land 7 days a week, will you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, old'un said: if the keeper is full time he will be around the land 7 days a week, will you? Just install some trail cams and if he trespasses, especially while armed you'll have video evedence. Don't let him try and walk over you or imtimidate you. He may just be an idiot with poor people skills, but it sounds to me that he feels it is his right, which it quite clearly is not. Edited October 18, 2018 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Just install some trail cams and if he trespasses, especially while armed you'll have video evedence. Don't let him try and walk over you or imtimidate you. He may just be an idiot with poor people skills, but it sounds to me that he feels it is his right, which it quite clearly is not. I think the video evidence will disappear along with the camera, although the OP is within his rights I have seen what some keepers are capable of when rubbed up the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, old'un said: I think the video evidence will disappear along with the camera, although the OP is within his rights I have seen what some keepers are capable of when rubbed up the wrong way. Possibly, but you will be surprised at the stupidity of some people, especially when they wouldn't normally break the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 I have to be honest, I'm surprised at the speed that some advocate escalating this. If they're a neighbour you'd be well advised to try and get on. You've said that they can't come onto your ground which is absolutely fair enough, but I personally wouldn't race them to the award for being a bad neighbour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Possibly, but you will be surprised at the stupidity of some people, especially when they wouldn't normally break the law. No I wouldn’t. If it were me I would approach the shoot captain and say I am are willing to allow them to continue using the wood as one of their drives but I am not willing to pay for birds I shoot on my own land, if he does not agree with this just walk away but add that if he changes his mind the offer is still open, at least that way the door is still open for them, with no bad feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagboy Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 Might be worth trying to check if the keeper is a member of any org, like the NGO. If he is, then contact them and they might have a word in his shell-like. Likewise if the shoot (or captain) is a member of BASC. I recall a shoot behaving badly with a neighbour in Yorkshire, which regional BASC staff sorted out. Worth a go, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, stagboy said: Might be worth trying to check if the keeper is a member of any org, like the NGO. If he is, then contact them and they might have a word in his shell-like. Likewise if the shoot (or captain) is a member of BASC. I recall a shoot behaving badly with a neighbour in Yorkshire, which regional BASC staff sorted out. Worth a go, anyway. Yep, I am sure that will make everyone happy. I’ve been around for a good few years and in that time I have seen and been a victim to this type of bitching between shooting folk, why escalate it, in the end no one wins, just more bad blood between shooting people. Edited October 18, 2018 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagboy Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, old'un said: Yep, I am sure that will make everyone happy. I’ve been around for a good few years and in that time I have seen and been a victim to this type of bitching between shooting folk, why escalate it, in the end no one wins, just more bad blood between shooting people. I do understand your point, but in this particular case it seems that the keeper doesn't understand the law, so it may be that a credible intermediary might be able to broker an agreement between the two sides. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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