quentyn Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 well it seems that the bill is delayed it wont be passed in its current form it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 I know I could easily look up where those rebels constituencies are but I’m at work so I’ll look later but I wonder if there’s a clear rural/urban divide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim DiGriz Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 hours ago, figgy said: What are reloading cost per round for a .50 cal? do you or can you mould your own bullet heads or not You can get it down to approx £3 a round. There are moulds for .50BMG bullets but I'm not sure how well they work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Do we know level 3 security consists of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 From the Home Office Security Handbook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim DiGriz Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Our latest members email Many of you will have watched Parliament TV today, expecting to see the debate on the Offensive Weapons Bill, as today was the much anticipated Report Stage However the debate did not take place, which was somewhat unusual, as debates were timetabled up until 10:00pm, but ceased at 7:30pm. A statement on the Parliament website reads as follows: Remaining stages The remaining stages of this Bill have been postponed due to time pressures in the Chamber. They will be rescheduled in due course. The House will debate amendments, some of which would introduce offences for possessing corrosive substances on educational premises. Other amendments would remove the proposed ban on rifles over 13,600 joules at the muzzle but require tougher safety measures. The following article indicates that perhaps other factors were also at play. Please be aware that we will be submitting a formal complaint to the BBC about the following article, as it contains several glaring inaccuracies. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45867682 What does this mean for us? Well, its possibly a glimmer of good news, at the very least it gives us a chance to contact those MPs who have still not signed Sir Geoffrey’s amendment and request their support. I have been advised that there are at least five pro-shooter MPs who have not yet signed this amendment, one of which is a rifle shooter! The more names, the better our chances. As it’s been delayed it is not too late for you to request the support of your MP (assuming their name is not already on the list below), if they need technical assistance in understanding any of the blatant propaganda sent out by the NCA to the Home Office (which has been relayed onto MPs) then let me know. There are many ridiculous myths being banded around, and we need to debunk them. The current list of signatories to Sir Geoffrey’s amendment are as follows: Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown [R] Mr Jonathan Djanogly [R] Mr Philip Hollobone Adam Holloway Mr Steve Baker Martin Vickers Sir David Amess Sir Henry Bellingham Sir Paul Beresford Sir Peter Bottomley Sir William Cash Chris Davies Richard Drax Mark Garnier Richard Graham Bill Grant Simon Hart Sir Oliver Heald Gordon Henderson Sir Bernard Jenkin Daniel Kawczynski Jeremy Lefroy Sir Edward Leigh Sir Oliver Letwin Mr Ian Liddell-Grainger Craig Mackinlay Sir Nicholas Soames Sir Robert Syms Ross Thomson Bill Wiggin Sammy Wilson Kate Hoey Douglas Ross It may look like we are making good progress, and hopefully we are, but it’s not time to rest just yet. If you or your MP has any queries or concerns, please let me know without delay. Many thanks & keep up the good work! Chris Stevenson Chairman, FCSA (UK) www.fcsa.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted October 17, 2018 Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) Contacted my MP (A Leadsom), she has previously been pro shooting so hopefully will sign her support. Edited October 17, 2018 by topshot_2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterGain Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 I have just written to my MP. From a quick check i couldn't see his record on any shooting related matters so will be interested in the response (if any!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 I've written to mine too, but as its Priti Patel i won't hold my breath. Theres nothing in it for her then she won't support it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 Last time I looked a 343 could kill anything we hunt. Coming up with contrived justifications for the 50 cal actually weakens the case for the other calibres which have a genuine purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, DC177 said: Last time I looked a 343 could kill anything we hunt. Coming up with contrived justifications for the 50 cal actually weakens the case for the other calibres which have a genuine purpose. A .223 will kill anything you are likely to come across in the uk, but my guess would be that not very many people have fox and aolq on the conditions for their 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, DC177 said: Last time I looked a 343 could kill anything we hunt. Coming up with contrived justifications for the 50 cal actually weakens the case for the other calibres which have a genuine purpose. Can we assume you don’t consider target shooting a sport then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) Whatever calibre,whatever your chosen tool looks like, 2 barrels over under, side x side bolt action, semi auto, Springer or pneumatic its a gun at the end of the day, target or not their are people outside of your bubble world that want to ban ALL firearms. And as soon as those that dont think they are under scrutiny realise this the better. Come on then those that are burying their heads tell me I'm wrong, what's the saying??? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. Edited October 23, 2018 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Yes I get that as I love the sport too. But defending a calibre meant for military usage is not actually helping our cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, DC177 said: Yes I get that as I love the sport too. But defending a calibre meant for military usage is not actually helping our cause. Yes, it does. The "ban it" mentality works on a ratchet principle. Every success is a step on to the next thing to ban - your chosen sport may be a way down the list, but rest assured, on the list it will be. Throwing someone else under the bus won't help. If we do not hang together, we shall most surely hang separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 28 minutes ago, DC177 said: Yes I get that as I love the sport too. But defending a calibre meant for military usage is not actually helping our cause. Rifles were all designed for military use. So come back with another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, Dougy said: Rifles were all designed for military use. So come back with another one. You could stretch that as far as a good few shotgun calibres too, 52 minutes ago, DC177 said: Yes I get that as I love the sport too. But defending a calibre meant for military usage is not actually helping our cause. Want to ban them as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 31 minutes ago, Dougy said: Rifles were all designed for military use. So come back with another one. Come back with a genuine justification for civilian use of 50 cal. So far not seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DC177 said: Come back with a genuine justification for civilian use of 50 cal. So far not seen it. Long range target shooting? Regardless of whether you shoot . 50 or not comments like that do not help anyone. Edited October 24, 2018 by Farmboy91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Can’t see any need to ban any calibre there’s plenty of people with 375hh and bigger in the uk all for sporting purposes and zero on approved ranges we need people who are well practiced with larger calibers in the country along with the skill set of the muzzle loaders and all forms of shooting to pick out 50 calibre is plainly victimisation of a small but very skilled part of the shooting community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polester Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 40 minutes ago, DC177 said: Come back with a genuine justification for civilian use of 50 cal. So far not seen it. Out of interest what do you shoot? is it justifiable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, DC177 said: Yes I get that as I love the sport too. But defending a calibre meant for military usage is not actually helping our cause. So Calibres meant for military use then let’s look at a few 308 Win, 30/06 Sprg and 223 Rem all designed for military use and now rather popular civilian cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 hours ago, DC177 said: Come back with a genuine justification for civilian use of 50 cal. So far not seen it. Enjoying the sport of target shooting. Why do you want to see them banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 hours ago, DC177 said: Yes I get that as I love the sport too. But defending a calibre meant for military usage is not actually helping our cause. Get a grip for goodness sake. 223/5.56mm, 308/7.62mm and even .303 British all have military uses (although not ours) but not exclusively! Are you really suggesting that anything used by the military should not have a civilian use as well? By your logic we should stop shooting foxes with .223 and deer with .308! The fact you don't partake in extreme long distance target shooting doesn't give you the right to throw those that do under the bus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Old farrier said: Can’t see any need to ban any calibre there’s plenty of people with 375hh and bigger in the uk all for sporting purposes and zero on approved ranges we need people who are well practiced with larger calibers in the country along with the skill set of the muzzle loaders and all forms of shooting to pick out 50 calibre is plainly victimisation of a small but very skilled part of the shooting community Completely agree, well put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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