fine for too much ammo

[davewh100]

sorry not good with posting links, just seen someone was fined £400 for having 850 rounds of 22rf ammo instead of the 600 on his ticket think it was up in Scotland

Edited December 7, 2018 by davewh100

[RockySpears]

How did they find out?

 

RS

[davewh100]

5 minutes ago, RockySpears said:

How did they find out?

 

RS

not sure didn't read the full article mate

[RockySpears]

Wow, looks like that guy got off lightly:  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-23008330

 

RS

[walshie]

Has anyone on here ever had, or know of anyone who has had a spot check on how much ammo they have? Sounds like plod were given "intelligence".

[figgy]

Can't see a problem, being g told to reduce or taking g the extra off him fair enough.

Fines etc when your allowed the bullets in the first place.

Yes I know owhe broke the rules but harsh.

[davewh100]

think this mite be a different story as this bloke was fined £300 not £400 yeah the bloke fined £400 is called colin Stephen

Edited December 7, 2018 by davewh100

[walshie]

They know the rules. They are written in black and white on their tickets. Why risk it for the sake a few extra rounds? 

In theory at least, every extra round over your allowance is held illegally. Serves them right IMO. 

[hawkfanz]

now thats tough,,but merseyside along with some other forces have stated they intend to do unanounced spot checks on firearms holders.so beware guys.

[prem1234]

Yes reading the article as he was a magistrate I bet someone tipped off the police.....mind you this story is old and from 2013 !!

[RockySpears]

46 minutes ago, prem1234 said:

mind you this story is old and from 2013 !!

  To be honest, as it was a simple search I was surprised at what little turned up.  Just a little shocked to see the harshness of the punishment, a fine I would expect, but to take away his FAC completely seemed excessive.

 

" but merseyside along with some other forces have stated they intend to do unanounced spot checks on firearms holders "

 

Where has this been  published?  Any one had such an unexpected announcement?  Pretty sure they need good reason to enter your house, a warrant with reasons.

 

RS

[Jongwe]

13 minutes ago, RockySpears said:

Pretty sure they need good reason to enter your house, a warrant with reasons.

Yeah - in the absence of a warrant for which they need reason, they can be invited in by yourself.  However not sure if your refusal to allow them entry could give them "reason".

[7daysinaweek]

HI HF

I recall this from a few months back.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsliverpool/security-fears-lead-to-two-gun-dealers-losing-sales-permits/ar-AAAbAzN

2 hours ago, hawkfanz said:

now thats tough,,but merseyside along with some other forces have stated they intend to do unanounced spot checks on firearms holders.so beware guys.

 

atb

7diaw

[walshie]

3 hours ago, Jongwe said:

Yeah - in the absence of a warrant for which they need reason, they can be invited in by yourself.  However not sure if your refusal to allow them entry could give them "reason".

No refusing to let them isn't good reason for them to get a warrant. It might just be an incovenient time. 

[hawkfanz]

if i recall basc announced it in a newsletter that they were informed by merseyside of this.

[bluesj]

From the notes on the grant / renewal application form

Inspection of premises 
15. Please allow the police to inspect your guns and security when requested as in the absence of a warrant consent is required for the police to inspect premises.
 

[Rewulf]

I think this is the story the OP was referring to.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/court/north-east-man-fined-for-having-more-ammunition-for-firearm-than-allowed/

It seems harsh, but it doesnt mention his ticket getting revoked ect, and as Walshie said , its clearly stated on your FAC what your holding limit is.
It comes back to that same thing when it comes to firearms ownership, be squeaky.

[Dibble]

"Stevenson, whose address was given as Malento, Cairnie, Huntly" well as they have published his address.........

[old'un]

Cannot see the reason for such tight number controls on rifle ammo, and although its an old article I also think he was dealt with harshly, a fine and warning would have been enough.    

I know…rules are rules and all that but why not apply the same rules to shotgun ammo?

[Dougy]

A prize plonker, a good use of education. 

Typical clever people being dumb. 

 

It clearly states a limit on your ticket, for some reason he thought it was OK to go over, unless of course he has lost his ability to count.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Dougy

[Bazooka Joe]

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I know…rules are rules and all that but why not apply the same rules to shotgun ammo?

Have to agree...way over the top, & a good point about the shotgun ammo..

[spandit]

The rules are nonsensical. I can hold 500 rounds of 223 (I think, can't actually remember but I haven't got that many "in stock"). If I were to go on a rampage with my bolt action rifle, I doubt I'd get through very many before I was stopped so whether or not I had thousands hoarded is irrelevant. Can't see the logic behind the restriction, but then that holds true for many aspects of firearms licensing (such as moderators, having to apply for specific calibres etc.)

[Hamster]

1 hour ago, spandit said:

The rules are nonsensical. I can hold 500 rounds of 223 (I think, can't actually remember but I haven't got that many "in stock"). If I were to go on a rampage with my bolt action rifle, I doubt I'd get through very many before I was stopped so whether or not I had thousands hoarded is irrelevant. Can't see the logic behind the restriction, but then that holds true for many aspects of firearms licensing (such as moderators, having to apply for specific calibres etc.)

I can see the logic, without some kind of restriction there'd be no reason to record the sale on ones certificate which means the criminally minded could travel the country buying ammo from different sources and selling them on to the underworld. 

My .22 rimfire cert used to allow the purchase of 1000 and the holding of 1500 at any one time but I believe it's now revised to simply reflect how many you can keep at a time. 

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, spandit said:

The rules are nonsensical. I can hold 500 rounds of 223 (I think, can't actually remember but I haven't got that many "in stock"). If I were to go on a rampage with my bolt action rifle, I doubt I'd get through very many before I was stopped so whether or not I had thousands hoarded is irrelevant. Can't see the logic behind the restriction, but then that holds true for many aspects of firearms licensing (such as moderators, having to apply for specific calibres etc.)

Im not sure 'going postal' is the point of the limit, and I quite agree the idea of the limit doesnt really make sense, as does the mod issue.
But thems the rules Im afraid, and as been demonstrated, breaking them wins stupid prizes.

The funny thing is, when I first got my FAC ,I asked for 2000 rnds of 22lr, back in those days I was shooting at my target club (on probation) 100 -150 rnds a week, I didnt believe that amount was excessive.
I was told straight a 1000 was as much as they were willing to allow.
These days I dont shoot at my 2 target clubs much, and if I do go on my perms, ammo use is low.
Guess what ? Ive been told if I dont start buying and using more ammo, my holding limits will be cut by 50 %.
So obviously sales are checked.
Go figure.

[Scully]

4 hours ago, Hamster said:

I can see the logic, without some kind of restriction there'd be no reason to record the sale on ones certificate which means the criminally minded could travel the country buying ammo from different sources and selling them on to the underworld. 

 

There’s nothing to prevent that from happening anyhow as we don’t have to account for their useage, but I’m not sure there is a demand for .22lr ammo in the underworld, nor .243 cf. Even more illogically I am limited to 1000 rounds of .22lr but can buy thousands of shotgun cartridges and no one would ever know.