NatureBoy Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 hours ago, 243deer said: That is my bad - sorry folks - getting my lists mixed up - I hate getting old and slow - getting my head around stewardship is a bit of a mare. Glad you have some Turtle doves NB - a couple of years since I have seen one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 12 hours ago, wymberley said: Yep, guilty. He's replied now so I've gone again. But will leave it at that for the time being. Not doing too bad here, but could do with some back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 I'm. Not going to get involved because his comments just annoy me and I'd probably end up saying something I'd regret. He has no room for anyone else's opinions. Blinkered.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 hours ago, wymberley said: Not doing too bad here, but could do with some back up. Done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 I am not going to engage with Avery. A clever man but is apt to spout about "shooting" this and that in such general and undoubtedly biased terms that there is no reasoning with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 there is no reasoning with people like that. they just want it all there own way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Actually, if you think about it for a minute, you're not reasoning with him, you're not talking to him. You're talking to everyone else but him who might frequent the site. OK, most will probably be his disciples, but not all and if you can show that there is another point of view and if given the chance make him look silly, then so much the better. The knack is to prepare what you're going to say and stick to it - never go off piste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, wymberley said: Actually, if you think about it for a minute, you're not reasoning with him, you're not talking to him. You're talking to everyone else but him who might frequent the site. OK, most will probably be his disciples, but not all and if you can show that there is another point of view and if given the chance make him look silly, then so much the better. The knack is to prepare what you're going to say and stick to it - never go off piste. ^ this Its funny, we can shout off to the converted on sites like this, but when we have the chance to voice our side in the enemies camp most seem reluctant to-do so. Edited June 15, 2019 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 10 hours ago, wymberley said: but could do with some back up. Well I had a little `dig` about his comments to who-ever on here he responded to, about "being all over the place". He is clearly getting mixed up with plastic wads & re-cycling spent plastic cartridges. As for cheap non-toxic ! I did suggest he checks the price of 25 lead loads and compares to 25 Bismuth or Tungsten. I notice we stand accused of flouting the lead shot ban for wildfowling because he heard it on good authority from someone he knows, who knows someone who said its widespread !! Talk about old women`s gossip. Dont let facts get in the way of of a good anti-shooting rumor, that he has got 3rd hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, old'un said: ^ this Its funny, we can shout off to the converted on sites like this, but when we have the chance to voice our side in the enemies camp most seem reluctant to-do so. Agreed but I've done my fair share of reasoning with the unreasonable in the past. As I've grown older my patience and intolerance of fools has grown in proportion to the rise in my blood pressure. For the sake of the latter on this occasion I will leave others to thrust and parry with him. Edited June 15, 2019 by Miserableolgit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Miserableolgit said: Agreed but I've done my fair share of reasoning with the unreasonable in the past. As I've grown older my patience and intolerance of fools has grown in proportion to the rise in my blood pressure. For the sake of the latter on this occasion I will leave others to thrust and parry with him. This. I work with people who are vegan and are so due to intense farming, blaming farming on climate change etc, but can have a reasoned discussion about shooting even with the ones that like fluffy bunnies and bambi. There is no reasoning with the likes of Avery and Packham and I know that they would end up doing my nut in and then me saying something counter productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offout Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 What about the paragraph which mentions , Only undertake lethal control of birds during the peak breeding season (May to September) if......etc etc Does this basically mean we can only shoot pigeons from the beginning of October to the end of April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyjack Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 On 14/06/2019 at 10:20, motty said: That is the old license! So is this liscence obsolete, and gl21/gl36,because I spoke to NE yesterday, and was not told that everything has reverted back to the old liscence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, ladyjack said: So is this liscence obsolete, and gl21/gl36,because I spoke to NE yesterday, and was not told that everything has reverted back to the old liscence. GL34, GL35 and GL36 are the newly issued licence's that we are now operating under until February 2020. They cover most things the old licence did but with some minor changes. If you read them you'll find they'll cover most situations, if you have circumstances not covered you can still apply for an individual licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, ladyjack said: So is this liscence obsolete, and gl21/gl36,because I spoke to NE yesterday, and was not told that everything has reverted back to the old liscence. Keep up, keep up........ :-) Everything has NOT reverted back to the old licence. Defra issued three new licences on 14 June. Visit BASC website "General Licence". Print off and acquaint yourself with what is required. Also on the FAQ's you will see that the BASC advice is that we can roost shoot and shoot over stubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, ladyjack said: So is this liscence obsolete Motty`s reference to the `old licence` referred to GL31 issued by Natural England. This has now been superceded by GL36 issued by Defra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 15 hours ago, JJsDad said: Well I had a little `dig` about his comments to who-ever on here he responded to, about "being all over the place". He is clearly getting mixed up with plastic wads & re-cycling spent plastic cartridges. As for cheap non-toxic ! I did suggest he checks the price of 25 lead loads and compares to 25 Bismuth or Tungsten. I notice we stand accused of flouting the lead shot ban for wildfowling because he heard it on good authority from someone he knows, who knows someone who said its widespread !! Talk about old women`s gossip. Dont let facts get in the way of of a good anti-shooting rumor, that he has got 3rd hand. To be fair, non toxic shot (steel) is relatively cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpeshooter60 Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 On 14/06/2019 at 11:04, oowee said: ^^^^^^ This. Surprising how many shooters did not know (may still not know) there is even a licence to be complied with. hi all,thats me[ha ha]I still don't know what ive got to do about the shooting licence,is it back as it was?or what do I have to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, motty said: To be fair, non toxic shot (steel) is relatively cheap. Correct, but he made the sweeping statement that non-toxic per se was cheap. His reply, as half expected, didnt answer answer the points I raised; but these professional bloggers with a hidden agenda usually ignore facts that dont suit their train of thought. 8 minutes ago, sharpeshooter60 said: or what do I have to do How about looking at the BASC website and looking at the licence. Its all there plus a load of FAQ and answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, motty said: To be fair, non toxic shot (steel) is relatively cheap. Litter the land with plastic though, and a lot of shooters still feel it's not got the knock down power lead gives you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Eley have developed a bio degradable wad for steel cartridges.Nothing left after about 48hrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 And you can get steel with fibre wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, greylag said: Eley have developed a bio degradable wad for steel cartridges.Nothing left after about 48hrs. Yep, they have produced a degradable wad and the price will be around £300-£350 per 1000, bit steep for me to use on pigeons or blacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B B Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Avery clearly reads the comets on here or elsewhere and its clear he is clueless on ammo conservation most things and for heavens sake don’t educate him. His ignorance continues to do him justice let it stay that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Yep, bury our heads in the sand and he will go away (not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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