mellors Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 This happened yesterday. Lyvale 32 g 5s steel. Shattered firing pin assembly and bent and twisted trigger block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 What’s the barrel like is it bulging at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted July 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, snow white said: What’s the barrel like is it bulging at the end. Barrel appears fine. Was big bang and smoke from the action block. Then ouch that's gunna hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 OUCH!!! Exactly what I thought when I saw the first photo !!!! A blockage was my imediate thought of course but you say the barrel was clear and unscathed. Two things spring to mind 1. An overcharge in that cartridge 2. The slide was not locked up although that should mean it would not actually set the trigger, but was the locking mechanism faulty? Just very pleased you just have a bruise to show for it. Could have been much much worse. One of those 'buy a lottery ticket' days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 the block failed to lock and allowed the firing pin to go forward............ you are a lucky boy.........what make auto is it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Gun seems to be r/handed, but injury looks to be to left hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted July 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, ditchman said: the block failed to lock and allowed the firing pin to go forward............ you are a lucky boy.........what make auto is it ? Armsan A612. Never had a problem with it till then. Stripped and cleaned after every trip. 1 minute ago, guzzicat said: Gun seems to be r/handed, but injury looks to be to left hand? Yes. Blew it out my hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Im far from an expert but it does look like it fired out of battery. Im presuming that was the second or 3rd shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Wow, an escape, never believed in palmistry before but you seem to have a very long life line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Walker570 said: OUCH!!! Exactly what I thought when I saw the first photo !!!! A blockage was my imediate thought of course but you say the barrel was clear and unscathed. Two things spring to mind 1. An overcharge in that cartridge 2. The slide was not locked up although that should mean it would not actually set the trigger, but was the locking mechanism faulty? Just very pleased you just have a bruise to show for it. Could have been much much worse. One of those 'buy a lottery ticket' days. when guns are proofed ..arnt they proofed to double standard working load ? rekon that is the problem.... whatever was the cause....when you take it to your dealer ...tell us what the cause was.............was it your first shot of the day ?? Edited July 27, 2019 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 I have Armsan in 20 never any trouble. Was it home load or factor load I think ether way it’s a over load if bolt not locked in I don’t think it would have fired might be wrong somebody will be along to put you right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, ditchman said: when guns are proofed ..arnt they proofed to double standard working load ? rekon that is the problem.... That is true but a malfunction of the action would not be present when the gun was priginally presented for proof. It looks(from the photos) that this is the cause of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted July 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Well that's what's left. Was 2nd shot. They were new lyvales as stated. Had the gun 3 years never a problem. Surely must be overcharged cartridge as it's not possible to fire unless it locks in. The firing pin wouldn't be long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, mellors said: Well that's what's left. Was 2nd shot. They were new lyvales as stated. Had the gun 3 years never a problem. Surely must be overcharged cartridge as it's not possible to fire unless it locks in. The firing pin wouldn't be long enough. Certainly looks like a suspect shell,split case & blown primer out,good job it wasn;t a light sbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted July 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, guzzicat said: Certainly looks like a suspect shell,split case & blown primer out,good job it wasn;t a light sbs. My thoughts as well. Think gun shop first then contact lyvale. Don't suppose they'll do anything though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 The shell must have gone off before it entered the chamber, if the cartridge was enclosed in the chamber, I wouldn't have thought it would be distorted/blown to pieces like that? Maybe firing pin proud of the breech? Maybe hammer prematurely hitting the firing pin, before the breech had locked? Take plenty of photos, and notes, as the vendor (if you purchased it from a business) you bought it from, should check what's happened, firstly for safety, secondly for any subsequent warranty claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 It doesn’t look like the cartridge was fired in the chamber ... that much damage wouldn’t have been sustained otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Only a guess but I would suggest the firing pin has stuck in the breach block and hit the cartridge as soon as the action has started to push the cartridge into the chamber - the primer has left the scene which would be unlikely had the cartridge been against the breach face - the gun has gone "full auto". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Smokersmith said: It doesn’t look like the cartridge was fired in the chamber ... that much damage wouldn’t have been sustained otherwise. My thought too. If it's fully in the chamber and locked into battery it could not have become that mis-shaped even an over charge it couldn't do that to the cartridge. The primers blown out due to having nothing behind it to keep it in. My guess is chamber not fully locked closed. Edited July 27, 2019 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Cartridge fired out of battery. Dismantle,clean & lightly lubricate as i suspect that's the cause. Go buy a lottery ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 that looks like the locking lug is broken off i had this happen before fired a shot second shot lug was broke shell fired but the gun tried to go full auto crushing the next cartridge making it fire out the ejection port lucky my mate had moved from my right or he would have been hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 5 hours ago, bruno22rf said: Only a guess but I would suggest the firing pin has stuck in the breach block and hit the cartridge as soon as the action has started to push the cartridge into the chamber - the primer has left the scene which would be unlikely had the cartridge been against the breach face - the gun has gone "full auto". This was my thought also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrie0 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Looks similar to what happened with my Browning Maxus. Discharged out of battery becuase the firing pin wasn't retracted fully in the bolt. The gun was sent off to the proof house by the gunshop and the issue was found to be a sheared firing pin retaing pin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Another vote for it having fired out of battery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Did you buy a lottery ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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