captainhastings Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 If you get a gun and are told its been opened up for steel. The chokes are full and a half. Does that mean the chokes have changed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, captainhastings said: The chokes are full and a half. Well, if its full choke, certainly one barrel hasnt been opened up ! What are the choke markings on the barrel ? Edited January 10, 2020 by JJsDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhastings Posted January 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, JJsDad said: Well, if its full choke, certainly one barrel hasnt been opened up ! no that is what was stamped on the barrel so thats is what i am asking. Can I assume it has been opened up. Not 100% sure what opened up for steel means. Apparently it was done by proper gun smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 “Opened up for steel” usually means, the choke has been removed to 1/2 and 1/2 choke in both barrels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhastings Posted January 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Cheers thats what I wanted to know. Excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prem1234 Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Yes minimum size for Steel being Half/Modified choke, so as above I would think they've opened up the full choke to Half.....Can always get your local gunsmith to check just to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, captainhastings said: Cheers thats what I wanted to know. Excellent But for traditional lightweight game guns - SbS (?) - you could see what BASC - in their "steel shot what you need to know" piece - and the UK proof houses have to say. In brief CIP say 1/2, but the proof houses say 1/4. You pays your money and takes your choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhastings Posted January 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 Cheers it is a 3 inch mag winchester pigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, captainhastings said: Cheers it is a 3 inch mag winchester pigeon "But for traditional lightweight game guns - SbS (?)" Don't think this counts, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, captainhastings said: Cheers thats what I wanted to know. Excellent With respect ... you know nothing about the chokes without getting them checked. Hope it works out ... good guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 I wouldn’t take a guess off someone who’s never seen the gun as brilliant myself... I’d want to know 100% what it actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 It’s a good gun from a reputable maker, ( if it’s a 101 it’s a rather old gun ....somewhere around the 1980’s ) but information seems vague. General consensus states you can fire non HP steel through any choke ( including full ) in any gun not proofed for steel, but nothing tighter than half in the same gun for HP steel. Personally I have on occasion, fired HP steel through any gun and any choke, steel proofed or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 If it’s a Winchester and a side by side it’s probably a model 23 pigeon grade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 hello, i would question the seller when most general side by side 12 g shotguns come with 1/2 and full, saying that i have never shot a steel type cartridge but from research more open chokes seem the way to go, the only way to confirm is have it checked by a gun smith with internal bore micrometer if that the right description, our friend Gunman would know, i do not mean those brassy types you shove in the barrels, when the true size are determined you can decide to get both bored out to a more suitable size, years ago i did have a 23, good classic Japanese engineering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 https://basc.org.uk/download/63109/?fbclid=IwAR3UvEndn8RzIvu7O6tX2H5RlksZIljzZkhx9jpnzliBS4QAmPd4GIva2FM Just to put the half choke business into some sort of perspactive. Please read the first couple of paragraphs carefully, and then read them again. This advice is distilled from the CIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 15 hours ago, Smokersmith said: With respect ... you know nothing about the chokes without getting them checked. Hope it works out ... good guns. Get someone who knows what they are doing to measure the chokes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 23 hours ago, prem1234 said: Yes minimum size for Steel being Half/Modified choke, so as above I would think they've opened up the full choke to Half.....Can always get your local gunsmith to check just to be sure. Minimum size for steel? If you were planning to use small steel shot, I would not worry what the chokes are. By small I mean size 3 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prem1234 Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, motty said: Minimum size for steel? If you were planning to use small steel shot, I would not worry what the chokes are. By small I mean size 3 or 4. Yes so the original post called detailed a SBS and the general guidelines for traditional light weight game guns are that CIP recommends a choke no greater than half while the British Proof Authorities recommend no more than quarter choke. I lifted this off of steelshot.com http://www.steel-shot.com/faq-f5-3 "You can safely use 2 ¾’’ 32gram steel loads using shot size 5 & 4. If you choose to use a larger size then a higher performance steel shot proofed gun must be used. 1/2 choke can be used with smaller shot sizes, it is recommended to use ¼ choke or no choke at all for larger sizes. The tighter patterns given with steel due to its hardness means choke is not as necessary as with lead". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 18 hours ago, prem1234 said: Yes so the original post called detailed a SBS and the general guidelines for traditional light weight game guns are that CIP recommends a choke no greater than half while the British Proof Authorities recommend no more than quarter choke. I lifted this off of steelshot.com http://www.steel-shot.com/faq-f5-3 "You can safely use 2 ¾’’ 32gram steel loads using shot size 5 & 4. If you choose to use a larger size then a higher performance steel shot proofed gun must be used. 1/2 choke can be used with smaller shot sizes, it is recommended to use ¼ choke or no choke at all for larger sizes. The tighter patterns given with steel due to its hardness means choke is not as necessary as with lead". Not quite what your original post suggested. I think in general, people are way too cautious with steel shot, believing it to be some kind of really dangerous shot medium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 Can you not use LIGHT steel shot through any choke have seen Fowler’s using standard steel through guns choked 1/2 and 3/4 High performance steel then I think you need a more open choke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 https://basc.org.uk/download/63109/?fbclid=IwAR3UvEndn8RzIvu7O6tX2H5RlksZIljzZkhx9jpnzliBS4QAmPd4GIva2FM Although printed by BASC this is a straight lift from the CIP advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 10/01/2020 at 19:29, panoma1 said: “Opened up for steel” usually means, the choke has been removed to 1/2 and 1/2 choke in both barrels! When this is done does the gun need re proofing with certification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 Just now, steve s×s said: When this is done does the gun need re proofing with certification Not for opening the chokes it doesn’t!! It is your choice whether you subsequently submit the gun for Superior steel shot proof!.......... it’s the up to the proof house to advise whether the gun is acceptable for such proof!...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Not for opening the chokes it doesn’t!! It is your choice whether you subsequently submit the gun for Superior steel shot proof!.......... it’s the up to the proof house to advise whether the gun is acceptable for such proof!...... Well that shocks me a bit, so any person with limited knowledge can ream out a choke and away you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 43 minutes ago, steve s×s said: Well that shocks me a bit, so any person with limited knowledge can ream out a choke and away you go. Yep! Proof is a safety test, removing choke from the muzzle end of a shotgun barrel doesn’t render the gun unsafe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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