TRINITY Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 90 people illegals crossed today. The numbers will rocket in the summer months if nothing is done. Yet we seem to be providing a meet and greet service where we pick them up midway then ferry them over to England. Don't really know what we do with them when they arrive but the vast majority are allowed to stay I believe. How long can we continue doing this ,thoughts anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, TRINITY said: 90 people illegals crossed today. The numbers will rocket in the summer months if nothing is done. Yet we seem to be providing a meet and greet service where we pick them up midway then ferry them over to England. Don't really know what we do with them when they arrive but the vast majority are allowed to stay I believe. How long can we continue doing this ,thoughts anyone ? hello, i agree, they should ferry them back to France, as long the latter does nothing we will get many more, it costs £1000s to keep them and human rights Lawyers will be waiting in Dover port, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 Will the French allow this. They are openly allowing these illegals to hang around in squalid camps on their coast. I think the easiest thing for them is to hope they climb into a boat and move to England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, TRINITY said: Will the French allow this. They are openly allowing these illegals to hang around in squalid camps on their coast. I think the easiest thing for them is to hope they climb into a boat and move to England. hello, no Macron will get all the french fishing boats to blockade us from the french coast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 Simple answer to this is simply pick them up , sink the boats there in , and take them straight back to France , word would soon get round it’s no good paying money to these traffickers as it’s a waste of time and money , why bring them here what a soft touch this country has become ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, spurs 14 said: Simple answer to this is simply pick them up , sink the boats there in , and take them straight back to France , word would soon get round it’s no good paying money to these traffickers as it’s a waste of time and money , why bring them here what a soft touch this country has become ! spot on if your doing something illegal and your boat gets sunk it’s your own fault for trying to sneak in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoolinDalton Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 Keep taking them back to France immediately they are found in our waters. No ifs or buts....just straight back and left for the French to deal with! Once the people traffickers and / or individual groups of migrants / illegals know that they will not be allowed to land in the UK, this problem will cease! We can't keep allowing them in here. It's ok saying we are a caring, compassionate country and these people need our support but we can't cope with British people needing help, never mind migrants from several other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Use the navy and coastguard to push them back. Don't allow them to set foot in England. We should be more like the Australian government, you procede any further we will open fire. About time we took a tougher approach. This will be the next big political hit potato. Brexit is happening. Now we need a government to say no and make it no. Edited February 7, 2020 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 Certainly not why I donate to the RNLI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, TRINITY said: 90 people illegals crossed today. The numbers will rocket in the summer months if nothing is done. Yet we seem to be providing a meet and greet service where we pick them up midway then ferry them over to England. Don't really know what we do with them when they arrive but the vast majority are allowed to stay I believe. How long can we continue doing this ,thoughts anyone ? It will continue till the NHS and all other social support structures collapse? The problem being that the money being spent on this is not theirs personally so has no real value? Political lunacy is thriving, HS 2 etc with no thought towards sustainability? Oh, and put special forces on to the traffickers to make life very uncomfortable for them? Edited February 8, 2020 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshirelad Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 Once bodies start washing up on EU beaches, the novelty will wear off. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) hello, yes this will be the norm from now on, boats of any description but mostly inflatables rather than lorries, Edited February 8, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 The problem is that the migrants are making "MAYDAY" calls once at sea and they know that nearby ships have to render assistance or risk losing their masters ticket (SOLAS reg 33). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 So if a pirate ship or boat calls mayday they have to render assistance and then be over run with them? There must be some way of circumventing this bad practice of abusing maritime law. Stay on station untill authorities arive. Take them back to France Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 Can’t see many of the ****ty little boats and inflatables even have radios ! From what I can gather from news etc many are towed or taken out a few miles then either cast off or put in little unseaworthy boats and left to come in on the current , maybe if they feel generous a mayday from the traffickers but these traffickers don’t want to be hanging about , but still can’t see what is wrong with picking them up and taking them straight back , render the boat unusable , if word gets round they don’t make it the traffickers run out of people paying and boats , win , win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, figgy said: So if a pirate ship or boat calls mayday they have to render assistance and then be over run with them? There must be some way of circumventing this bad practice of abusing maritime law. Stay on station untill authorities arive. Take them back to France Most cargo ships in the channel will just pass on the mayday to the coastguard ,make a log entry and carry on. It would be bedlam if oil tankers had to stop in the dover straights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, spurs 14 said: Can’t see many of the ****ty little boats and inflatables even have radios ! From what I can gather from news etc many are towed or taken out a few miles then either cast off or put in little unseaworthy boats and left to come in on the current , maybe if they feel generous a mayday from the traffickers but these traffickers don’t want to be hanging about , but still can’t see what is wrong with picking them up and taking them straight back , render the boat unusable , if word gets round they don’t make it the traffickers run out of people paying and boats , win , win The radios are small and cheap Yes obviously the "migrants?" are just Taking the "P**&" but a ships captain would have to absoluty certain a maday was false to ignore it ( Masters have been send to prision for deliberately ignoring life rafts/ mayday calls) The obligation to render assistance to persons in distress at sea and deliver them to a place of safety is clearly established in the international law of the sea. “Rescuing people in distress is a duty placed on everyone at sea, that applies whether in territorial or international waters, and regardless of the legal status of the people in distress or the circumstances in which they are found” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 43 minutes ago, spurs 14 said: Can’t see many of the ****ty little boats and inflatables even have radios ! From what I can gather from news etc many are towed or taken out a few miles then either cast off or put in little unseaworthy boats and left to come in on the current , maybe if they feel generous a mayday from the traffickers but these traffickers don’t want to be hanging about , but still can’t see what is wrong with picking them up and taking them straight back , render the boat unusable , if word gets round they don’t make it the traffickers run out of people paying and boats , win , win Small handheld radios can be bought cheaply they have a range of a nm or so and as said the larger vessels pass on the details and log it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 A few well placed fast attack craft off the beaches of France, and a few small patrol boats in the channel would go well. Intercept the towing vessel and when it cuts loose and heads for home, the fast attack craft can hunt them down and deal with them! ANY boats taken during these types of exercises should be sold off to pay toward the cost of the operations. All craft carrying migrants returned to the french authorities. It’s time to deal with the problem at source, rather than after the fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lord Geordie said: A few well placed fast attack craft off the beaches of France, and a few small patrol boats in the channel would go well. Intercept the towing vessel and when it cuts loose and heads for home, the fast attack craft can hunt them down and deal with them! ANY boats taken during these types of exercises should be sold off to pay toward the cost of the operations. All craft carrying migrants returned to the french authorities. It’s time to deal with the problem at source, rather than after the fact! Can we enter french waters with the fast attack craft? can we do anything about boats in international waters? probably not as I see it we can’t do anything until there in our waters which as it stands is the 3 mile limit 1 hour ago, wascal said: The radios are small and cheap Yes obviously the "migrants?" are just Taking the "P**&" but a ships captain would have to absoluty certain a maday was false to ignore it ( Masters have been send to prision for deliberately ignoring life rafts/ mayday calls) The obligation to render assistance to persons in distress at sea and deliver them to a place of safety is clearly established in the international law of the sea. “Rescuing people in distress is a duty placed on everyone at sea, that applies whether in territorial or international waters, and regardless of the legal status of the people in distress or the circumstances in which they are found” well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratlegs Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 Brexit was voted for The security fence from Calias is going to Mexico We have left the club The French will be glad to be rid of them THIS IS ONLY THE START Send the bill to Farage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 Yes that's the answer send the bill to Farage the immigration is all his fault. Sometimes I can't believe the idiocy I read in here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 43 minutes ago, dogsnott said: Brexit was voted for The security fence from Calias is going to Mexico We have left the club The French will be glad to be rid of them THIS IS ONLY THE START Send the bill to Farage Erm you cant he does not work there any more. 😀😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshirelad Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 59 minutes ago, Old farrier said: can we do anything about boats in international waters? Overtake them with something that creates a large bow wave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 I'm beginning to suspect the government is saying one thing about immigration control but doing something entirely different. It does look like UK pays France to keep them over there to make it look like something is being done on paper, but the bloke who wrote the letter is turning a blind eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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