Police Action

[southeastpete]

The way I see it is you should only go to the shop wen you need essentials, but once you are there why does it matter what you buy?

its going there that is the risk, not what you put in your trolley. 

If you only went for a pack of hair I and a bottle of coke, then yea you are a **** and deserve the fine. But if you’ve gone for washing powder, two weeks worth of food, nappies etc and while you are there grab a couple bottle of wine, a dvd, some snacks, or whatever, why does r matter?

[JohnfromUK]

13 hours ago, Scully said:

Oh please! This is getting ridiculous!
Everybody has to venture out for shopping, unless you’re doing it online, and if there’s something on the shelves you fancy then there is absolutely nothing to prevent you buying it, and nor should there be.

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I go (roughly once a fortnight) to my local supermarket.  I buy my food and household stuff, but that may well include 'non essential' items such as deodorant, shampoo, chocolate, a drop of good cheer etc.  If I am in the shop anyway, there is no significantly increased risk to me or anyone by buying any item on the shelves in that shop.

If I was to drive to another location and buy (just for example) some ornaments - then I think that would be against the rules.  I would not do that.  But the shop is unlikely to be open.

If you can shop on line for groceries - you are lucky.  It seems to be impossible round here.

8 minutes ago, southeastpete said:

The way I see it is you should only go to the shop wen you need essentials, but once you are there why does it matter what you buy?

its going there that is the risk, not what you put in your trolley. 

If you only went for a pack of hair I and a bottle of coke, then yea you are a **** and deserve the fine. But if you’ve gone for washing powder, two weeks worth of food, nappies etc and while you are there grab a couple bottle of wine, a dvd, some snacks, or whatever, why does r matter?

/\ This too

Frankly, I am amazed at the attitude of a lot of the Chief Constables.  In the UK, policing depends (due to stretched resources) on having the general public broadly 'on side', and over this - they mostly are ........ but the heavy handed stupidity of a few very senior police officers is threatening that.  The vast majority of the public go to the supermarket for their food and household products - and to have ones shopping trolley load checked over and 'sentenced' into essentially, or non essential by a police officer is not acceptable.  I note that the Home Secretary has come out against heavy handed attitudes;

I quote below from the article referenced here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207393/Sales-Easter-eggs-wine-barbecues-paddling-pools-soar-ahead-four-day-break.html

"Home Secretary Priti Patel, who has not been seen or heard in public since March 23, said in an unexpected radio interview this evening that police must not act in a 'heavy-handed' manner during the coronavirus lockdown. 

She also said the government will 'absolutely not' be increasing police powers amid concerns about the way in which some officers have interpreted government guidance on breaking up groups and stopping journeys."

Edited April 10, 2020 by JohnfromUK

[oldypigeonpopper]

20 minutes ago, Scully said:

This. A nationwide occurrence. 

hello, your right Scully, but it is no wonder our younger generation cannot afford to buy any property in these Counties were they were born and grew up 

[Yellow Bear]

13 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

If you can shop on line for groceries - you are lucky.  It seems to be impossible round here.

You are lucky almost anywhere, within 2/3 days of this starting no one was taking on new deliveries and the slots available were over 4 weeks away.

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Yellow Bear said:

You are lucky almost anywhere, within 2/3 days of this starting no one was taking on new deliveries and the slots available were over 4 weeks away.

I believe Morrisons (the only one with whom I had an account) are operating a priority system for the 'highest risk' people.  Not sure how it works/is accessed because I don't fall into that category.  I did go to my local Morrisons branch this week and it was actually quite well stocked and very well organised/marshalled, so I give credit where due.

[Yellow Bear]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

I believe Morrisons (the only one with whom I had an account) are operating a priority system for the 'highest risk' people.  Not sure how it works/is accessed because I don't fall into that category.  I did go to my local Morrisons branch this week and it was actually quite well stocked and very well organised/marshalled, so I give credit where due.

I do fall into that category and Morrisons, like the others did not want to know.

[Scully]

I’ve seen quite a few supermarket delivery vans throughout the village, but we just go to town as it’s difficult to get a slot.

Most of the local shops and some restaurants are doing their own delivery services, from fruit and veg’, butchers and ready meals. As it’s just a small town some of them are co-ordinating deliveries via one vehicle. They’re doing a great service. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

I’ve seen quite a few supermarket delivery vans throughout the village, but we just go to town as it’s difficult to get a slot.

Most of the local shops and some restaurants are doing their own delivery services, from fruit and veg’, butchers and ready meals. As it’s just a small town some of them are co-ordinating deliveries via one vehicle. They’re doing a great service. 

hello, sounds like a great community of people

[Scully]

7 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, sounds like a great community of people

Thanks. It is a great place to live. 
Some are providing a much needed service, others are fighting for survival; it would be a crying shame if they didn’t survive this, so locals are keen to use them. 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Scully

[Vince Green]

41 minutes ago, southeastpete said:

The way I see it is you should only go to the shop wen you need essentials, but once you are there why does it matter what you buy?

its going there that is the risk, not what you put in your trolley. 

If you only went for a pack of hair I and a bottle of coke, then yea you are a **** and deserve the fine. But if you’ve gone for washing powder, two weeks worth of food, nappies etc and while you are there grab a couple bottle of wine, a dvd, some snacks, or whatever, why does r matter?

I completely agree with you but the big word is IF. Shoving in a few treats with your essentials is quite alright, perfectly understandable in these times, but queuing up specifically to buy garden furniture or flat pack stuff or BBQ charcoal is not entering into the spirit.

Somebody I know made a 40 mile round trip to buy a bike this week, essential? He thinks so. 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Vince Green

[Scully]

Just now, Vince Green said:

I completely agree with you but the big word is IF. Shoving in a few treats with your essentials is quite alright, perfectly understandable in these times, but queuing up specifically to buy garden furniture or flat pack stuff or BBQ charcoal is not entering into the spirit.

Whilst B&Q is still trading I can’t see why people can’t use it. I collected materials from our local outlet last Tuesday via their ‘click and collect’ service. 
It isn’t illegal to have a barbecue yet, as far as I know. 

[Danger-Mouse]

3 minutes ago, Scully said:

It isn’t illegal to have a barbecue yet, as far as I know. 

Rotherham police told a bloke he wasn't allowed to be out in his own front garden. The police have now admitted the officer involved was being over zealous and apologised.

[Scully]

16 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said:

Rotherham police told a bloke he wasn't allowed to be out in his own front garden. The police have now admitted the officer involved was being over zealous and apologised.

I should think so too.
Last night our local weather girl ( Look North ) did her report from the balcony of her flat; she mentioned that the smell of a neighbours barbecue was rather nice. 
Thankfully common sense does still exist in places. 

[Vince Green]

32 minutes ago, Scully said:

Whilst B&Q is still trading I can’t see why people can’t use it. I collected materials from our local outlet last Tuesday via their ‘click and collect’ service. 
It isn’t illegal to have a barbecue yet, as far as I know. 

There is a difference between having a BBQ and going out specially to buy one

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, maybe this is why the young Cornish inbreds cannot afford to buy any property do to the wealthy buying up second homes  just to use a few weeks a year,

That's exactly right but I'm London born and I can't afford to buy a house in Chelsea, there is no real difference.

2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, maybe this is why the young Cornish inbreds cannot afford to buy any property do to the wealthy buying up second homes  just to use a few weeks a year,

That's exactly right but I'm London born and I can't afford to buy a house in Chelsea, there is no real difference.

[Scully]

10 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

There is a difference between having a BBQ and going out specially to buy one

If you buy other stuff while you’re out, even if you went out specifically for a single use BBQ, then who’s going to prove otherwise? They are still for sale as are other non essentials like alcohol and clothing. 

As I stood in a very small queue outside my local village shop last Friday, a local lad in high vis came out carrying nothing more than boxes of Stella and got into a works van. Essential? Probably not in the eyes of some,  or strictly by the letter of current advice. They had probably just finished work for the weekend and were going to get quietly bleary. And why not? 
He smiled and gave me the thumbs up as drove off. I smiled back. Life goes on, it has to. 
Would I have reacted otherwise if I were a copper? No. 

[Vince Green]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

If you buy other stuff while you’re out, even if you went out specifically for a single use BBQ, then who’s going to prove otherwise? They are still for sale as are other non essentials like alcohol and clothing. 

As I stood in a very small queue outside my local village shop last Friday, a local lad in high vis came out carrying nothing more than boxes of Stella and got into a works van. Essential? Probably not in the eyes of some,  or strictly by the letter of current advice. They had probably just finished work for the weekend and were going to get quietly bleary. And why not? 
He smiled and gave me the thumbs up as drove off. I smiled back. Life goes on, it has to. 
Would I have reacted otherwise if I were a copper? No. 

No but if you go down with the virus in about ten days time how would you feel about him then? would you wonder? Halve the queue and you have the risk

[Scully]

5 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

No but if you go down with the virus in about ten days time how would you feel about him then? would you wonder? Halve the queue and you have the risk

No. The suggestion is ridiculous; I could get it anywhere and at anytime. You can’t pick up the virus by giving someone a thumbs up! 
You really do need to get a grip. Perhaps get out a bit more? 😳

[Dave-G]

Seems to be a case of do as we say not do as we do:

Here we see an organised police gathering for non essential reasons, non essential vehicle travel and several blue lights used for a non emergency situations. It would be very difficult to believe this display was not sanctioned by the areas police chief.  I totally get the applaud but it really is a case of its OK if WE do it.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/police-and-firefighters-join-in-clap-for-carers-weekly-round-of-applause/

[wascal]

2 hours ago, Scully said:

I’ve seen quite a few supermarket delivery vans throughout the village, but we just go to town as it’s difficult to get a slot.

 

It's not for want of trying . I've got a temp job with Tesco and we are absolutley maxed out, every van is going out full to the roof. I think we sent out over 700 trays of food today.

A lot of people Don't want to actually go in the store so the click and collect slots are maxed also

The staff are looking forward to Christmas for a Rest !

Edited April 10, 2020 by wascal

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, Scully said:

I’ve seen quite a few supermarket delivery vans throughout the village, but we just go to town as it’s difficult to get a slot.

Most of the local shops and some restaurants are doing their own delivery services, from fruit and veg’, butchers and ready meals. As it’s just a small town some of them are co-ordinating deliveries via one vehicle. They’re doing a great service. 

Nice to hear, I hope it works out for the locals and the shops.

[panoma1]

The real issue is that people do not like being told what to do! Policing is carried out in the UK by consent...not by heavy handed tactics like threats and intimidation, and people won’t comply if what is demanded is perceived as unnecessary, unfair, bullying or overly prescriptive!

The issue of the police demanding all gun certificate applications include a report from a GP is one thing, but by introducing their own informal laws to agreed HO guidance, insisting “no GP report no certificate” and the applicant must pay whatever the GP demands, is neither fair, by consent nor acceptable to many gun owners!
 The threat of police rooting through people’s shopping trollies, is further alienating the public from the police, in that such tactics are not by consent it is policing by threat, bullying and beyond their lawful powers......

I am not anti police.....I am anti being threatened and intimidated into doing what I’m told....if I feel it unfair, can not see the need for it or find it bullying and overly prescriptive!

[Walker570]

On 29/03/2020 at 19:52, AVB said:

I don’t think anybody is trying to wind him up. I don’t know any serving policemen so interested to get answers to questions that I wanted to ask. 

Another question is whether we actually need different police forces or would we be better served by one national police force. The cost savings must be significant in not having so many chief Constables for example or even different insignia. 

100% and said this 40yrs ago when I was still serving.

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, Scully said:

No. The suggestion is ridiculous; I could get it anywhere and at anytime. You can’t pick up the virus by giving someone a thumbs up! 
You really do need to get a grip. Perhaps get out a bit more? 😳

I'm not getting out, that's the whole point which you don't seem to get

[Newbie to this]

I think all these overzealous Police should have to explain their actions and possibly pay with their jobs.

Priti Patel has said the Chief of Police who made the comments about searching peoples shopping trollies has overstepped the mark, as his comments were inappropriate, and that's not what the police are there to do.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/priti-patel-blasts-police-chiefs-inappropriate-threat-to-check-trolleys-for-legitimate-necessary-shopping

Who could ever have trust in this man not to abuse his position of power again! I see he is trying to backtrack now!!!

Same with the officer telling someone he's not allowed out in his garden!

None of this is in the spirit of UK policing, and anyone in the Police abusing their power should be gone!

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Earlier Downing Street also distanced itself from the comments, saying those shops which were still open "are free to sell any items they have in stock”.

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Newbie to this