strimmer_13 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 One part of my job on a shoot I worked on years ago was shooting and trapping cock pheasants (also drakes) at the end of the season. Beaters day was also only cock birds. Anyway off point, but i shot quite a few in my time there and as stu said above, no matter what I shot them with, air or rf, in the head always resulted in them flapping. They are dead but moving is all. I wasn't allowed to chest shoot as the meat would be damaged and unsellable. But that's not to say I didn't at times as I knew a lot of the meat went north for animal food processing and a 22rf stops them in their tracks as it would most things. Garden use, sub 30 yards, airgun all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 hour ago, old'un said: Think walkedup as answered the question but I will also add that to many cocks fighting and chasing hens will also push birds away. During catchup Feb/March if a keeper thought there were to many cock birds any caught in the traps had their necks pulled. And that leads onto a question, if game birds are classed as live stock whilst penned and wild once released, what is the status of caught-up birds that are penned, wild or live stock? Would stretching there necks in Feb / March be classed as killing game out of season , not that I am over bothered , just wondered if that was legally allowed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, marsh man said: Would stretching there necks in Feb / March be classed as killing game out of season , not that I am over bothered , just wondered if that was legally allowed . Hence my question in the same post. And that leads onto a question, if game birds are classed as live stock whilst penned and wild once released, what is the status of caught-up birds that are penned, wild or live stock? To be honest I doubt if they would be bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, old'un said: Hence my question in the same post. And that leads onto a question, if game birds are classed as live stock whilst penned and wild once released, what is the status of caught-up birds that are penned, wild or live stock? To be honest I doubt if they would be bothered. Best not to ask those sort of questions On the same sort of subject , I was always led to believe that the 1st of Feb was a extra day to trim the cock birds out , whereas the inland duck season finish on the last day of Jan , a couple of years ago we were shooting Pheasants on the first when a good Redleg came sailing over right above me , I left it alone thinking it was out of season , the captain got out his smart phone and assured me they were still in season on the Feb 1st , so did the Partridges get an extra day as well to trim the cocks out ? , strange laws if you ask me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 And here’s me thinking that in 2005 they made it unlawful to shoot a game bird on the ground 🤔🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, Old farrier said: And here’s me thinking that in 2005 they made it unlawful to shoot a game bird on the ground 🤔🤔 Was in a faceache catapult group for a while and there was plenty of them taking pheasant on the ground with 9mm ball baring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 I shoot a few turkeys every year with 22LR. Aim for base of neck. Bigger target and moves less than the head. Big birds and they fall down. There's a lot of flapping. Same happens with headshots. I've seen decapitated turkeys do the same. I've heard it said that turkeys are too stupid to know they are dead. I'm inclined to agree. Pheasant or not, this sounds like an exercise pest control. As long as it's legal, an air rifle would be my tool of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, manthing said: Was in a faceache catapult group for a while and there was plenty of them taking pheasant on the ground with 9mm ball baring. That dosent make it lawful I suspect if you looked into it some would be shocked especially if they are using a rifle with a magazine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 50 minutes ago, Old farrier said: And here’s me thinking that in 2005 they made it unlawful to shoot a game bird on the ground 🤔🤔 Can you provide a link please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Scully said: Can you provide a link please? Just had a look on Google and all I can find is one line on a Wikipedia page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 40 minutes ago, Old farrier said: And here’s me thinking that in 2005 they made it unlawful to shoot a game bird on the ground 🤔🤔 So in pre 2005 were we well within the law shooting long tails up a tree at night , or was there a , ( not during the hours of darkness law ) to spoil it , mind you that was that long ago , it was in those far off days when you could get more for your Pheasants than the cost of fuel to go out a few miles to carry out our night time activities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Scully said: Can you provide a link please? You can surely google it 😂 was there somewhere on the game license about taking game with a air gun being unlawful or was it just Un sportsmanlike Edited November 28, 2020 by Old farrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, Old farrier said: That dosent make it lawful I suspect if you looked into it some would be shocked especially if they are using a rifle with a magazine Since the majority of those people were probably caravan dwellers they tend not to follow the laws of the land anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, Old farrier said: You can surely google it 😂 was there somewhere on the game license about taking game with a air gun being unlawful or was it just Un sportsmanlike So no link then. Thought as much. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, Scully said: So no link then. Thought as much. 🙂 Don’t know how to do links sorry hopefully a screen shot will help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Wikipedia is not the law. Can you find the act or law that makes that statement fact? It's not even credited in the references for that article. It's total toss. You can shoot game birds on the ground. Edited November 28, 2020 by ClemFandango Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Old farrier said: That dosent make it lawful I suspect if you looked into it Just had a mooch and its not mentioned ,as far as I can see, on the uk.gov license pages, basc code of practice or "The Code of Good Shooting Practice" https://www.gov.uk/hunting https://basc.org.uk/advice/quarry-species-shooting-seasons/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 59 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Don’t know how to do links sorry hopefully a screen shot will help Wikipedia is an contributer generated encyclopedia thats not all ways correct. That needs challenging to be corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Hi old’Un when game birds are in a pen ie reared ,they are classed as livestock. When released they are wild birds ,in your garden they are still wild birds . When captured and put in a pen they become livestock again. This is question, should a wild bird be caged. If game keepers are killing game birds l can’t see why they can’t be shot in a garden. My permit for rime fires state for shooting vermin, game birds wouldn’t be vermin. If shotgun pellets are fired over your boundaries it is a civil matter, bullets or air gun pellets is a crime. I think it was Jeremy Clarkson who said he would shoot pheasant in his garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoy Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Dr NO (Avery) was on about this. Encouraging his followers to shoot/dispatch pheasants in there gardens. Even on about getting them put on GLs to do it. One reckoned he got so many he put a large bird table up to feed them to kites and eagles. Yeah right! Strange lot. And sill they get taken seriously and sit at the top table! Bizarre! NB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Old farrier said: Don’t know how to do links sorry hopefully a screen shot will help It is unlawful I believe, to do so in some states in the USA, but as far as I’m aware it isn’t ( yet ) in the UK. I can’t find anything regarding legislation regarding this, and google doesn’t really cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Old farrier said: Don’t know how to do links sorry hopefully a screen shot will help Who would believe a Wikipedia? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 Just now, Fisheruk said: Who would believe a Wikipedia? 🤣 Probably someone who asks PW a question 😂😂😊😊 7 minutes ago, Scully said: It is unlawful I believe, to do so in some states in the USA, but as far as I’m aware it isn’t ( yet ) in the UK. I can’t find anything regarding legislation regarding this, and google doesn’t really cut it. Fair enough 👍😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Probably someone who asks PW a question 😂😂😊😊 Fair enough 👍😊 Now you know you can go and wilfully blaze away at them before they leave the ground! Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted November 29, 2020 Report Share Posted November 29, 2020 20 hours ago, bunnybasher84 said: Afternoon all, Can someone clarify the law on using a shotgun within your own boundary? My garden is quarter of an acre quite overgrown in places with a 6ft thick timber fence around the boundary... In the last few weeks I've been getting a fair few game bird's on my garden and fancied having a pop at them. Now I'm not daft, I'd never shoot while they were in the air I'd only shoot while they're on the ground so the trajectory is at a downward angle. Is this allowed as I've heard mix opinions. Thanks. ☺️ Can you not just enjoy seeing the game birds in your garden, just because you own a gun you don’t have to kill everything you see 🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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