TRINITY Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, AVB said: The AZ vaccine is manufactured in three plants in the UK, The Netherlands and Belgium. The NL and Belgium plants have suffered delays and hence the EU have told/asked AZ to honour the contract to supply and use supplies from the UK plant to do so. AZ are saying that they timelines in the contract are not legal binding as they were ‘best endeavours‘. I am not sure what the fuss is. It’s a commercial agreement between AZ and the EU nothing to do with ‘us’. I agree with your point but I think the fear is that the EU will put so much pressure on AZ that in order to meet their demands, they will decided to renage on the UK contract to appease the EU On a side issue, I wonder if wee Jimmy will be donating some of her vaccine in order to beg favour from her EU gods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) Quote I am not sure what the fuss is. It’s a commercial agreement between AZ and the EU nothing to do with ‘us’. It is if they carry out their threat to block, exports of the vaccine. Quote The EU has threatened to block exports of coronavirus vaccines to countries outside the bloc such as Britain. Brussels on Wednesday demanded that tens of millions of British-made coronavirus vaccines be diverted from the UK to make up a supply shortfall in the jabs in the EU. Edited January 27, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 what in essensence they are saying is "its not a first past the post race ...we are all in it together......(as long as we are first) " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 Quote exactly what it says this is the tip of the ice berg and expect more of it bullies don’t change Who exactly was stupid in dealing with them? The alternative was what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 Now just where are all the remoaners to lecture us all on how we're too stupid to understand we'd be better off in the EU 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, ordnance said: It is if they carry out their threat to block, exports of the vaccine. Why would they do that when all we would do would block exports of the vaccine as well. We aren’t getting that many doses of the Pfizer vaccine anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, AVB said: We aren’t getting that many doses of the Pfizer vaccine anyway. We have 40m of the Pfizer on order and 100m of the Astra Zeneca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AVB said: Why would they do that when all we would do would block exports of the vaccine as well. We aren’t getting that many doses of the Pfizer vaccine anyway. Looks like they are spitting the dummy out, maybe because its not a good look after Brexit if the UK is ahead of them vaccinating their citizens. Quote The EU has demanded that tens of millions of Covid-19 vaccine doses made in British Astrazeneca factories be diverted to Europe. EU demands AstraZeneca diverts 75m Covid jabs ... - YouTube Edited January 27, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: Who exactly was stupid in dealing with them? The alternative was what? the government that’s who no deal was the way to go but that took guts so the wimps opted for the easy option not that they wanted to leave in the first place as four years trying to avoid it shows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) Strange how it was all going swimmingly. Then slightly coy remarks from the gov as there is a bit of a delay because Belgium are doing a refurb on the Vax factory! Really? Now?............then the Eu kick off......................and all of a sudden we have the bomb disposal dealing with an incident at the Wrexham AZ factory!! Hmmmm?!!! Edited January 27, 2021 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, turbo33 said: all of a sudden we have the bomb disposal dealing with an incident at the Wrexham AZ factory!! I'm guessing that is probably thought to be "anti-vaxxers"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 So, the EU block Pfizer from living their vaccine about.. I wonder in usa/Pfizer will see this for what it is, and end up taking their factories out of the EU to prevent this kind of control... it sure would be a karma kick in the teeth if they did! i wonder if any of the remoaners are able now to see the awful eu for what it really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, turbo33 said: ..and all of a sudden we have the bomb disposal dealing with an incident at the Wrexham AZ factory!! I could see a helicopter hovering for ages, wondered what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 Quote the government that’s who no deal was the way to go but that took guts so the wimps opted for the easy option not that they wanted to leave in the first place as four years trying to avoid it shows Just to be crystal clear - are you saying that if we had gone down the no deal route, the EU would not be awkward? Bizarre logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 hours ago, AVB said: The AZ vaccine is manufactured in three plants in the UK, The Netherlands and Belgium. The NL and Belgium plants have suffered delays and hence the EU have told/asked AZ to honour the contract to supply and use supplies from the UK plant to do so. AZ are saying that they timelines in the contract are not legal binding as they were ‘best endeavours‘. I am not sure what the fuss is. It’s a commercial agreement between AZ and the EU nothing to do with ‘us’. Agree 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 49 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: Agree 👍 How could it possibly be nothing to do with the UK, if vaccines due to be supplied to the UK went to the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Gordon R said: Just to be crystal clear - are you saying that if we had gone down the no deal route, the EU would not be awkward? Bizarre logic. I don’t know how you came to that conclusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 hours ago, ordnance said: How could it possibly be nothing to do with the UK, if vaccines due to be supplied to the UK went to the EU Cross purposes. UK plant has manufactured our vaccines, we are all good. The EU plants have a short supply for the EU, there problem to sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 hours ago, ordnance said: How could it possibly be nothing to do with the UK, if vaccines due to be supplied to the UK went to the EU The UK manufactured vaccines are not just for use in the UK. They will be used worldwide. Clearly if AZ didn't meet their obligations to deliver to us then it would be an issue but there is no indication that they will do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 The EU appear to have been late and taken a spread betting approach to the sourcing of their vaccines. They are in a bit of a pickle and trying to exert pressure where they can - looking out for themselves. As far as I can see there is no conspiracy around this in relation to the EU against the UK government or public. They snoozed so they loose, simple as that. Remainers have moved on, some people on here should probably try to do so too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said: The EU appear to have been late and taken a spread betting approach to the sourcing of their vaccines. They are in a bit of a pickle and trying to exert pressure where they can - looking out for themselves. As far as I can see there is no conspiracy around this in relation to the EU against the UK government or public. They snoozed so they loose, simple as that. Remainers have moved on, some people on here should probably try to do so too. That's how I understand it and yes they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: The EU appear to have been late and taken a spread betting approach to the sourcing of their vaccines. They are in a bit of a pickle and trying to exert pressure where they can - looking out for themselves. As far as I can see there is no conspiracy around this in relation to the EU against the UK government or public. They snoozed so they loose, simple as that. Remainers have moved on, some people on here should probably try to do so too. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: The EU appear to have been late and taken a spread betting approach to the sourcing of their vaccines. They are in a bit of a pickle and trying to exert pressure where they can - looking out for themselves. As far as I can see there is no conspiracy around this in relation to the EU against the UK government or public. They snoozed so they loose, simple as that. Remainers have moved on, some people on here should probably try to do so too. Not only were the EU three months behind the UKin contracting but I also caught something different about the different approaches adopted placing contracts. Something about the EU contracts being fixed price and the UK being priced at the point of delivery? However it's been done hats off to the purchasing team and Treasury for getting on with it. I could imagine the problems getting the approvals through. Someone has pulled more than a few strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Some one mentioned going through the courts earlier in this thread. But which courts, ours or theirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Some one mentioned going through the courts earlier in this thread. But which courts, ours or theirs? Depends on what it says in the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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