EU trying to steal our vaccines

[TRINITY]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

The EU appear to have been late and taken a spread betting approach to the sourcing of their vaccines. They are in a bit of a pickle and trying to exert pressure where they can - looking out for themselves. As far as I can see there is no conspiracy around this in relation to the EU against the UK government or public. They snoozed so they loose, simple as that.

Remainers have moved on, some people on here should probably try to do so too.

I am not too sure that's not entirely correct. They laid their bets in time but on the wrong horses. I have been informed that they bowed to the pressure of France to put the majority of their wager on the Sanofi vaccine and unfortunately this particular 'horse' is still running and may even be pulled up before the finish line.

It also shows another issue with the EU that certain countries have too much power and think the failed organisation is for their total control and benefit.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

18 minutes ago, TRINITY said:

I am not too sure that's not entirely correct. They laid their bets in time but on the wrong horses. I have been informed that they bowed to the pressure of France to put the majority of their wager on the Sanofi vaccine and unfortunately this particular 'horse' is still running and may even be pulled up before the finish line.

It also shows another issue with the EU that certain countries have too much power and think the failed organisation is for their total control and benefit.

Every one is equal, but some want to be more equal than others.

Communism by another name?

[JohnfromUK]

You can understand Astra Zeneca (AZ) feeling a little 'put out'.

1. The EU held off ordering their product for 3 months ...... possibly hedging bets, possibly lacking confidence?
2. The EU have been very slow to approve the AZ product (as I write it is still not approved)
3. The EU (or at least parts of it) have been 'rubbishing' AZ's product, claiming that it is only 8% effective - a claim that is widely and authoritatively deemed false.

And yet with no approvals - they are demanding immediate supply potentially depriving others who had the confidence and really made the effort and are actually rolling it out as rapidly as they can.

[ditchman]

if we were still in the EU..and reliant on Brussels handing out vaccines ....we would have just about completed the entire customer base of Mrs Miggins pie shop

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, TRINITY said:

I am not too sure that's not entirely correct. They laid their bets in time but on the wrong horses. I have been informed that they bowed to the pressure of France to put the majority of their wager on the Sanofi vaccine and unfortunately this particular 'horse' is still running and may even be pulled up before the finish line.

It also shows another issue with the EU that certain countries have too much power and think the failed organisation is for their total control and benefit.

OK. Still their problem not ours.

[Gordon R]

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I don’t know how you came to that conclusion?

Try re-reading the appropriate posts. 

[TRINITY]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

OK. Still their problem not ours.

Agree, but the way I read it, they see our supply as the answer to their problem. Then it could soon become a problem to us. 

[Dave-G]

Someone ought to tell them we left the EU and they can biatch about not getting a company in the entire EU 27 countries to sort them out as much as they like. Its time for them to grow up and stand on their own feet now.

[Vince Green]

Telegraph this morning

AstraZeneca’s vaccine production site in Belgium was raided yesterday at the request of the European Commission, as Brussels continued to heap pressure on the British company over delays in jab deliveries. 

Belgian officials from the country’s medicines regulator inspected the factory on Wednesday afternoon after the pharmaceutical giant blamed production problems at the plant for a shortfall in vaccine supplies to the bloc. 

Brussels suspects that AstraZeneca may have sold reserved EU vaccine stock to other non-EU countries, including Britain, which paid more for the jabs. 

The Commission has launched unprecedented public attacks against AstraZeneca over the past few days and the raid is seen as another example of the EU heaping pressure on the company.

Brussels has demanded millions of AstraZeneca vaccines made in Britain be diverted to the EU  but the company said British orders had to be fulfilled first before supplies could be switched. 

It has also threatened an export ban on EU-produced vaccines, jeopardising the UK’s supply of the Pfizer jab. 

The Belgian Health Minister said that the raid was carried out on behalf of the commission. It was aimed at proving whether or not AstraZeneca’s explanation for the failure in supply was genuine. 

A European Commission spokesman confirmed the inspection. “We do not comment on the scope, on why it's been undertaken and what has been audited,” the spokesman said, before refusing to answer if Brussels had ordered the raid.

Officials from Belgium’s medicines regulator are expected to have drawn up a report on their findings in the next few days. 

A spokesman said: "Belgian experts are now examining the elements that were collected, together with experts from the Netherlands, Italy and Spain."

The AstraZeneca CEO, Pascal Soriot, and the European Commission held a meeting last night. The commission said afterwards that it wanted a clear plan for the rapid delivery of the vaccines it had reserved for the first quarter of the year. 

EU officials have said that AstraZeneca has only offered a quarter of the jabs promised, which they claim is in breach of contract. 

AstraZeneca denies this, which has led to calls on the company to agree to the confidential contract to be made public. 

Brussels insists the EU contract does not allow the company to prioritise supplies from its two British factories for the UK. 

Kim Van Sparrentak, who is on the EU's Committee on the Internal Market and Consumer Protection, told the Today programme on Thursday: “The problem is that there is a contract with AstraZeneca. They have promised us a certain amount of doses and they are not able to deliver.

"Based on these promises, we have rolled out vaccination programmes in 27 countries and the most vulnerable people were able to finally breathe again, to have the feeling 'OK we will get the vaccine soon' and now the planning is completely being jeopardised so we need clarity and that's why I think transparency is most important."

Commission: We expect that we can and will get UK-made doses  

[Rob85]

So from what I've been seeing today on the news some of the German press are slamming their politicians and the MEPs in particular, saying it's basically an advert for brexit 😂

Aside from that there is also talk in the press that the EU are appearing to row back from some of their threats....due to the junior ministers that signed off the contracts didn't give the senior MEPs the full contract but rather a redacted version. be nice to see the EU being firmly put in their damn place. So on writing this I just seen the above post by Vince..... can you say communist state behaviour??? Frig me they are going full on Stasi style.

[southeastpete]

1 hour ago, Gordon R said:

Try re-reading the appropriate posts. 

the government that’s who no deal was the way to go but that took guts so the wimps opted for the easy option not that they wanted to leave in the first place as four years trying to avoid it shows  

 

This one? I went through a couple of his previous ones too, still don’t understand where you got it from? I don’t think that was his meaning at all.

I think he just meant why bother trying to reason with these people, they are just in it for what they can get, not interested in mutually beneficial arrangements. Why bother trying to be nice to someone who will stab you in the back first opportunity, may as well treat them like the backstabbers they are in the first place.

[Kev1gun]

20 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

Now that's the real issue isn't it. 

The people are the ones that can make Britain great again, but ensuring they buy British. 

 

But when it comes down to it, most prefer to talk and then buy the cheapest  

Not me, proper british real ale or a nice single malt from Scotland is the only stuff that passes my lips, none of that nasty european stuff 

[JohnfromUK]

26 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

We expect that we can and will get UK-made doses

Perhaps - if they play bully - we (or AZ UK) should mix in dose of laxative - and block up all their drains!

[Good shot?]

Have I heard Sky news wrong in that German authorities have said that the Astrazenica vaccine should not be use on the over 65s?

On my way out now for my AZ jab (over 65)

 

Just back now and apparently I have had the  Pfizer one, my wife had the AZ one at the same centre but a different desk at the same time.

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by Good shot?

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Good shot? said:

Have I heard Sky news wrong in that German authorities have said that the Astrazenica vaccine should not be use on the over 65s?

On my way out now for my AZ jab (over 65)

 

Certain elements in Germany have started 'rubbishing' the AZ vaccine - surprisingly about when the realised they couldn't get their full demands in the wanted timescale (despite them not having approved it anyway).

It is utterly untrue;

https://fullfact.org/health/german-astrazeneca-8-percent-handelsblatt/

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/26/should-we-worry-about-claims-astrazeneca-jab-has-8-efficacy-in-over-65s

 

[ordnance]

6 hours ago, AVB said:

The UK manufactured vaccines are not just for use in the UK. They will be used worldwide. Clearly if AZ didn't meet their obligations to deliver to us then it would be an issue but there is no indication that they will do that.  

So the government won't be looking at the situation to see if it could effect UK vaccines.  Even if it doesn't effect UK supplies the fact that they will be looking and discussing the situation, by definition makes it a UK matter, and not as said nothing to do with the UK.

[Gordon R]

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I think he just meant why bother trying to reason with these people, they are just in it for what they can get, not interested in mutually beneficial arrangements. Why bother trying to be nice to someone who will stab you in the back first opportunity, may as well treat them like the backstabbers they are in the first place.

I saw that point, but whilst there is a semblance of a treaty with the EU, you would think they would be more reasonable, than if we had just gone for a no deal. Then it would have been all out war. Our deal with them means we still have to contribute - albeit on a reducing scale and let them have a share of our fish. We have a small hold over them. No deal would have meant they had little to lose.

[AVB]

1 hour ago, ordnance said:

So the government won't be looking at the situation to see if it could effect UK vaccines.  Even if it doesn't effect UK supplies the fact that they will be looking and discussing the situation, by definition makes it a UK matter, and not as said nothing to do with the UK.

In respect of vendor management and managing supply chain risk then yes. But the UK government shouldn’t be bothered if AZ sell any vaccines,  over and above what they have committed to the UK government, to the EU, the Americans or anybody else. It’s a commercial agreement. 

[TRINITY]

3 hours ago, Vince Green said:

Telegraph this morning

AstraZeneca’s vaccine production site in Belgium was raided yesterday at the request of the European Commission, as Brussels continued to heap pressure on the British company over delays in jab delitant."

 

 

 

Commission: We expect that we can and will get UK-made doses  

Basically, you dont give us what we demand and we will send round the heavy mob to sort you out. 

 

If the UK pulled a stunt like this there would be a massive media uproar. Let's hope this behaviour by the EU has been well and truly noted by all the worlds multi nationals. 

[Dave-G]

15 minutes ago, TRINITY said:

Basically, you dont give us what we demand and we will send round the heavy mob to sort you out. 

 

If the UK pulled a stunt like this there would be a massive media uproar. Let's hope this behaviour by the EU has been well and truly noted by all the worlds multi nationals. 

Susana Reid tried pouring salt on the wounds this morning, if Piers Morgan had been there I might have thrown the remote at the TV because he will have been even more argumentative just because that's what he does. He still hasn't learned much, he biatched about gov ministers not appearing on GMTV but as soon as they do he gets on his lefty horse again like its his lifes goal to wee off ministers. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by Dave-G

[Walker570]

6 hours ago, TRINITY said:

I am not too sure that's not entirely correct. They laid their bets in time but on the wrong horses. I have been informed that they bowed to the pressure of France to put the majority of their wager on the Sanofi vaccine and unfortunately this particular 'horse' is still running and may even be pulled up before the finish line.

It also shows another issue with the EU that certain countries have too much power and think the failed organisation is for their total control and benefit.

Just watched Farage on youtbe and he puts it in a nutshell.   Wirth a look and their antics proves his pronouncements years ago. 

[TRINITY]

2 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Just watched Farage on youtbe and he puts it in a nutshell.   Wirth a look and their antics proves his pronouncements years ago. 

Do you follow Jeff Taylor on you tube, that guy is spot on with most of the stuff regarding the EU. 

A pigeon watch member put me on to the bloke ,he is certainly worth watching. He is also starting to put out some really good stuff about wee Jimmy and her braveheart mob.

[ordnance]

2 hours ago, AVB said:

In respect of vendor management and managing supply chain risk then yes. But the UK government shouldn’t be bothered if AZ sell any vaccines,  over and above what they have committed to the UK government, to the EU, the Americans or anybody else. It’s a commercial agreement. 

Its not about selling vaccines after they have supplied what they committed to the UK, the EU want vaccines ordered and committed to the UK sent to them instead. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by ordnance

[AVB]

12 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Its not about selling vaccines after they have supplied what they committed to the UK, the EU want vaccines ordered and committed to the UK sent to them instead. 

So what. They can ask what they want. If I was the EU I would be demanding the same and if the boot was on the other foot we would be wanting Boris to demand the same. 

We just need to make sure AZ deliver what they committed and stop worrying about EU ‘demands’. Most of this is being hyped up by the press. 

[ordnance]

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So what. They can ask what they want. If I was the EU I would be demanding the same and if the boot was on the other foot we would be wanting Boris to demand the same. 

My reply was to a post stating it is nothing to do with the UK and obviously it is, if the EU is demanding vaccines committed to the UK. If they were demanding vaccines committed to Australia, then it would be nothing to do with the UK, see the difference   

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We just need to make sure AZ deliver what they committed and stop worrying about EU ‘demands’. Most of this is being hyped up by the press. 

No its factual, if its being hyped up its by the EU, reporting the mews factually is not hyping it up. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by ordnance