Beretta are buying Holland and Holland

[clangerman]

can’t fault my semi autos but berettas customer service is garbage if i knew how bad it was they wouldn’t have seen a penny lucky there are spares suppliers who do know how a phone works 

[simcgunner]

Beretta is a savy company and have been building guns as long as H&H. it will not lesson the quality of H&H guns. After all being owned by Channel didn't make them smell any better. On the brighter side Audley house will be offering take away Pizza.

Edited February 2, 2021 by simcgunner

[PeterHenry]

9 hours ago, simcgunner said:

Beretta is a savy company and have been building guns as long as H&H. it will not lesson the quality of H&H guns. After all being owned by Channel didn't make them smell any better. On the brighter side Audley house will be offering take away Pizza.

Isn't Audley House Purdey's shop?

[NoBodyImportant]

I wonder if UK berettas are different then USA ones.  I recently looked at a Silver Pigeon at the gun show, the new one with the grape engraving and rounded forearm.      I am going to be honest it looked poorly finished compared older guns.  The laser engraving looked shoty, the wood didn't fit well,  the blueing had defects, and when you broke it open the hidden action was rough and had horrible tool marks.  The CZ redheads on the same table where half the price and where finished quite well. I was thinking about the 690 field but I am leaning more to Browning now. 

Edited February 2, 2021 by NoBodyImportant

[simcgunner]

2 hours ago, PeterHenry said:

Isn't Audley House Purdey's shop?

yes just being cheekey

[TIGHTCHOKE]

15 hours ago, clangerman said:

can’t fault my semi autos but berettas customer service is garbage if i knew how bad it was they wouldn’t have seen a penny lucky there are spares suppliers who do know how a phone works 

Well it won't be Beretta's Customer Service, I can only presume you mean GMK, what was Gunmark.

 

NEVER had a problem with them, always extremely helpful.

[clangerman]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Well it won't be Beretta's Customer Service, 

i don’t want a hundred questions from the middle monkey trying to find out if i’m a terrorist (idiots!) to buy over priced parts luckily I can buy quality parts online cheaper which show up in three days the days of the captive customer are over if you sell guns sell the parts with no fuss or i don’t wont buy your guns 

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26 minutes ago, clangerman said:

i don’t want a hundred questions from the middle monkey trying to find out if i’m a terrorist (idiots!) to buy over priced parts luckily I can buy quality parts online cheaper which show up in three days the days of the captive customer are over if you sell guns sell the parts with no fuss or i don’t wont buy your guns 

Simple, don't buy their guns, in the grand scheme I wouldn't get worked up about it they only have a job to do

[Old farrier]

2 hours ago, simcgunner said:

yes just being cheekey

We know 

purdey does take away tea in a China cup with a finger biscuit on a tray😂😊

[London Best]

1 minute ago, Old farrier said:

We know 

purdey does take away tea in a China cup with a finger biscuit on a tray😂😊

Silver, you missed silver. It’s a silver tray!

[welshwarrior]

Sorry but this has been one of the worse kept secrets in the shooting industry for quite awhile.  
 

I think it’s a good thing for both brands. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

On 01/02/2021 at 19:32, The Heron said:

I think it's rather sad but that's the business world. 

 

On 01/02/2021 at 19:35, London Best said:

I think it’s the sickest joke since they started making Webley and Scott’s in Turkey.

Gordon Bennett, if it makes both firms stronger it can only be a good thing!

[London Best]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

 

Gordon Bennett, if it makes both firms stronger it can only be a good thing!

Mmm, will have to wait and see. 
I suppose it’s the way of global business, but I would hate to see “badge engineering” as in the motor industry.

[kevin55]

6 hours ago, London Best said:

Mmm, will have to wait and see. 
I suppose it’s the way of global business, but I would hate to see “badge engineering” as in the motor industry.

https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/magazine/what-next-for-holland-and-holland-

Compares it to Bentley & VW Phaeton

 

[theshootist]

I think its a good fit. They will understand what it will take to keep the brand properly respected. Beretta make money and H&H don't sadly. If they produced a London finished over and under equivalent to those Purdey branded Italian actioned guns, I don't think that would be a bad thing. When you're cutting out the people who can only afford a £30,000 gun you really are narrowing your market! 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 minutes ago, theshootist said:

I think its a good fit. They will understand what it will take to keep the brand properly respected. Beretta make money and H&H don't sadly. If they produced a London finished over and under equivalent to those Purdey branded Italian actioned guns, I don't think that would be a bad thing. When you're cutting out the people who can only afford a £30,000 gun you really are narrowing your market! 

Exactly!

[figgy]

I'm looking forward to a nice H&H semi automatic. 

[Old farrier]

35 minutes ago, figgy said:

I'm looking forward to a nice H&H semi automatic. 

Will you have a cased pair 🤔😂

[figgy]

No I'll take a semi auto and a pump action to make an odd pair 😉

[Old farrier]

This amalgamation could be a boon for the a Italian/ European company keeping its guns available at a competitive price in the uk part of the trading strategy 

just a thought 

[DUNKS]

On 01/02/2021 at 18:01, London Best said:

I just hope it doesn’t mean that we can look forward to seeing stock bolts, split pistol grips, painted wood grain, sprayed on stock finish, plastic butt plates, coil spring actions and all the other carp quality which comes as standard with mass produced Silver Pigeons bearing the H&H name.

Of course you will. It's the way forward. Or stagnate with the old systems and go bust. The shooting fraternity seem to happily accept the lower end market. That's where the money is. This lower end seems pretty well engineered to me. Replacing a coil spring with a stock bolt is cheap and can take minutes. I would hate to have to pay for a broken leaf spring in your Holland.

Edited February 5, 2021 by DUNKS

[TIGHTCHOKE]

[London Best]

Obviously only a small percentage of the shooting community can afford to buy a new Purdey/whatever, definitely me included. But many buy new Perazzis which cost what I paid for the Holland. But we live in an increasingly ‘throw away’ society. Every day you can read posts on this forum about trying to get spares, problems with one gun or another, and remarks such as ‘I’ve had it five seasons so it has not done too bad.’  Guns used to last several generations, even the cheapest workaday keepers/farmers tools. Very few seem to have any appreciation for quality any more. It would be relatively cheap to replace a leaf spring, and even if it cost £500 IMO it is better than spending that amount on a new Yilkofsan.

[Scully]

5 hours ago, London Best said:

Obviously only a small percentage of the shooting community can afford to buy a new Purdey/whatever, definitely me included. But many buy new Perazzis which cost what I paid for the Holland. But we live in an increasingly ‘throw away’ society. Every day you can read posts on this forum about trying to get spares, problems with one gun or another, and remarks such as ‘I’ve had it five seasons so it has not done too bad.’  Guns used to last several generations, even the cheapest workaday keepers/farmers tools. Very few seem to have any appreciation for quality any more. It would be relatively cheap to replace a leaf spring, and even if it cost £500 IMO it is better than spending that amount on a new Yilkofsan.

I agree. While I think that the cheaper guns have their ( limited ) place, and whilst trying not to come across as a gun snob, I genuinely believe if you buy cheap you buy twice. 
With the exception of one gun ( and this was bought to stop me knocking about a classic really ) all my shotguns are at least 30 years old. Not old by many standards, but they are quality pieces from reputable makers, good enough for generations worth of ownership. 

 

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On 05/02/2021 at 11:23, London Best said:

Obviously only a small percentage of the shooting community can afford to buy a new Purdey/whatever, definitely me included. But many buy new Perazzis which cost what I paid for the Holland. But we live in an increasingly ‘throw away’ society. Every day you can read posts on this forum about trying to get spares, problems with one gun or another, and remarks such as ‘I’ve had it five seasons so it has not done too bad.’  Guns used to last several generations, even the cheapest workaday keepers/farmers tools. Very few seem to have any appreciation for quality any more. It would be relatively cheap to replace a leaf spring, and even if it cost £500 IMO it is better than spending that amount on a new Yilkofsan.

Pretty sure a "carp silver pigeon" as you would call it will last out many a shooter if looked after correctly, they are better quality than you seem to think, have a look you might be surprised!