ShootingEgg Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-56370427 Have just read this article, it mentions gamekeepers, but the only natural England, WWT and the RSSPB. Nothing about any of the shooting orgs. Id imagine GWCT and BASC would want to be involved. @Conor O'Gorman is this something on your radar!?! If not might be a good thing to look into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 GWCT is one of the nine, BASC is not, although CRP is looking for more organisations to be involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 5 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: GWCT is one of the nine, BASC is not, although CRP is looking for more organisations to be involved Cheers for this info. BBC yet again only mention the money grabbing RSPB and the WWT.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just googling moorland conservation and see the Wildlife Trusts are advocating re-wilding of moorland "allowing the land to be self willed" yet blaming wild fires for moorland degradation, Just what do they imagine will happen to this long woody heather growth, when [for what ever reason] fire takes hold in the dry months, god help the Curlew when the "knowledgeable" conservationist's take over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 23 hours ago, ShootingEgg said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-56370427 Have just read this article, it mentions gamekeepers, but the only natural England, WWT and the RSSPB. Nothing about any of the shooting orgs. Id imagine GWCT and BASC would want to be involved. @Conor O'Gorman is this something on your radar!?! If not might be a good thing to look into Thanks - very much on our radar not only in England but also in supporting projects in Wales and Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 15/03/2021 at 17:02, islandgun said: Just googling moorland conservation and see the Wildlife Trusts are advocating re-wilding of moorland "allowing the land to be self willed" yet blaming wild fires for moorland degradation, Just what do they imagine will happen to this long woody heather growth, when [for what ever reason] fire takes hold in the dry months, god help the Curlew when the "knowledgeable" conservationist's take over Once `conservationists` get involved anything they touch is doomed. When will people recognise these idiots for what they all are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 15/03/2021 at 17:02, islandgun said: Just googling moorland conservation and see the Wildlife Trusts are advocating re-wilding of moorland "allowing the land to be self willed" yet blaming wild fires for moorland degradation, Just what do they imagine will happen to this long woody heather growth, when [for what ever reason] fire takes hold in the dry months, god help the Curlew when the "knowledgeable" conservationist's take over Absolutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, matone said: Once `conservationists` get involved anything they touch is doomed. When will people recognise these idiots for what they all are? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-56370427 Quote "The main reason for decline of the curlew is loss of habitat and large number of predators", WJ [and others] disagree about predation and nearly everyone else wants to plant trees, which, if they they don't catch fire, will harbour a whole new range of predators and provide no habitat for the ground nesting birds that depend on our uplands to breed. I do despair for our country when the real land managers are sidelined by TV personalities and journalist's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 35 minutes ago, islandgun said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-56370427 Quote "The main reason for decline of the curlew is loss of habitat and large number of predators", WJ [and others] disagree about predation and nearly everyone else wants to plant trees, which, if they they don't catch fire, will harbour a whole new range of predators and provide no habitat for the ground nesting birds that depend on our uplands to breed. I do despair for our country when the real land managers are sidelined by TV personalities and journalist's Yep,agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 43 minutes ago, islandgun said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-56370427 Quote "The main reason for decline of the curlew is loss of habitat and large number of predators", WJ [and others] disagree about predation and nearly everyone else wants to plant trees, which, if they they don't catch fire, will harbour a whole new range of predators and provide no habitat for the ground nesting birds that depend on our uplands to breed. I do despair for our country when the real land managers are sidelined by TV personalities and journalist's Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 On 16/03/2021 at 19:29, islandgun said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-56370427 Quote "The main reason for decline of the curlew is loss of habitat and large number of predators", WJ [and others] disagree about predation and nearly everyone else wants to plant trees, which, if they they don't catch fire, will harbour a whole new range of predators and provide no habitat for the ground nesting birds that depend on our uplands to breed. I do despair for our country when the real land managers are sidelined by TV personalities and journalist's Do they make this (Decline in numbers up) there's plenty here and always has been, North Yorkshire,, west Yorkshire border Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benbobailey Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Steve s x s, sadly there has been a drastic decline in curlew numbers in South west Scotland. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 On 16/03/2021 at 19:29, islandgun said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-56370427 Quote "The main reason for decline of the curlew is loss of habitat and large number of predators", WJ [and others] disagree about predation and nearly everyone else wants to plant trees, which, if they they don't catch fire, will harbour a whole new range of predators and provide no habitat for the ground nesting birds that depend on our uplands to breed. I do despair for our country when the real land managers are sidelined by TV personalities and journalist's I couldn’t agree more. Our challenge really lies in the power of populist media - both TV and social. Most are ‘riding the green wave’ and with that comes a deluge of misinformation and misdirection. We need to take more control of the populist media noise - ‘own our space’ as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Fellside said: I couldn’t agree more. Our challenge really lies in the power of populist media - both TV and social. Most are ‘riding the green wave’ and with that comes a deluge of misinformation and misdirection. We need to take more control of the populist media noise - ‘own our space’ as they say. The publics perception of people that shoot things isn't good, emotive language from just about anyone from vegans and save the Mink [yes its a thing] will appeal to all people intent on saving the planet, often as an aside from their own less than green lifestyle [or because of it] I guess to combat the populist media we need to disprove the like of WJ and monbiot and join with other concerned bodies like GWCT or The Moorland Association with the dominant aim of conservation rather than game shooting, healthy upland's benefits all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 On 16/03/2021 at 17:53, matone said: Once `conservationists` get involved anything they touch is doomed. When will people recognise these idiots for what they all are? Second That Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 We are conservationists also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 We are but tend to understand that not all things can be conserved all of the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 At least the conservationists cant say shooting is to blame for the "decline" they have been off the quarry list for decades. In the days when you could shoot Curlews you only tended to see roughly one a day, now down on the foreshore you get massive groups of them 50+ flying past you, so is there really a decline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 31 minutes ago, aberisle said: In the days when you could shoot Curlews you only tended to see roughly one a day, now down on the foreshore you get massive groups of them 50+ flying past you, so is there really a decline? In 1968 season I had one fantastic Curlew flight when I shot 38. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 On 15/03/2021 at 17:02, islandgun said: Just googling moorland conservation and see the Wildlife Trusts are advocating re-wilding of moorland "allowing the land to be self willed" yet blaming wild fires for moorland degradation, Just what do they imagine will happen to this long woody heather growth, when [for what ever reason] fire takes hold in the dry months, god help the Curlew when the "knowledgeable" conservationist's take over But it’s not just the Heather. We will have scrub birch alder etc and the habitat is screwed for curlew and other red listed birds. Brainless action by so called Greens here in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 42 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said: But it’s not just the Heather. We will have scrub birch alder etc and the habitat is screwed for curlew and other red listed birds. Brainless action by so called Greens here in Scotland. Indeed. Upland pastures are at risk as well, some of them ancient, "un-improved" pasture is a mosaic of plant life that support a host of wildlife that have evolved to live there. they are what they are due to livestock grazing. Monbiot et al want to save the world by removing the livestock and planting trees, their reasoning is that we will all eat a plant diet and there will be no more methane from the gaseous cattle. sensible people can see many flaws in their reasoning but they wont get the air time. meanwhile stupid people will jump on the monbiot/green bandwagon and do untold damage, Curlew and Lapwing will be the first to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, islandgun said: Indeed. Upland pastures are at risk as well, some of them ancient, "un-improved" pasture is a mosaic of plant life that support a host of wildlife that have evolved to live there. they are what they are due to livestock grazing. Monbiot et al want to save the world by removing the livestock and planting trees, their reasoning is that we will all eat a plant diet and there will be no more methane from the gaseous cattle. sensible people can see many flaws in their reasoning but they wont get the air time. meanwhile stupid people will jump on the monbiot/green bandwagon and do untold damage, Curlew and Lapwing will be the first to go Very true on all points. Stupidity is a common state now which is being refined by so called `social media` and its fawning devotees. That has much to do with most problems facing the countryside! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 hour ago, London Best said: In 1968 season I had one fantastic Curlew flight when I shot 38. WHY?? 🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, harkom said: WHY?? 🤮 Because there was a flight of thousands and I seemed to have the pound seat. Three of us spent a week on the coast. Total bag was (from memory after more than half a century) sixty seven curlew and about half a dozen assorted duck. Nothing was wasted in those days and everything was eventually eaten. I never saw a curlew flight like it ever again in the next twenty five years on The Wash and probably only shot about another half dozen before protection in 1981. Curlew was alright in a curry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benbobailey Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 Harkom, when I shot the foreshore in the early 70's, curlew were commonplace. Often I would stay back after morning flight and shoot a couple, they made a delicious stew. It was no different to shooting any other legal quarry, for the pot. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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