Today Can't Be All Bad

[wymberley]

Seems we've upset France:

France rages over new security pact between US, UK and Australia, accusing Biden of ‘stabbing us in back’ (msn.com)

[TIGHTCHOKE]

13 minutes ago, wymberley said:

Seems we've upset France:

France rages over new security pact between US, UK and Australia, accusing Biden of ‘stabbing us in back’ (msn.com)

Bloody marvellous, they thought they had a deal with Australia for more old diesel boats!

[Westward]

Well... Not to put too finer point on it, few nations are more accomplished at stabbing their "allies" in the back than France

[ditchman]

19 minutes ago, Westward said:

Well... Not to put too finer point on it, few nations are more accomplished at stabbing their "allies" in the back than France

point being they were selling exocet missiles to the Argi's during the falklands war ?

[henry d]

4 minutes ago, ditchman said:

point being they were selling exocet missiles to the Argi's during the falklands war ?

We sold them the 1000lb bombs they used on our ships

[12gauge82]

13 minutes ago, henry d said:

We sold them the 1000lb bombs they used on our ships

Not while we were at war with them though. I really do question your logic 😵😵😵🤣

[scobydog]

They weren't invited to join because everyone knows they would do a runner as soon as it kicked off.

 

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[bruno22rf]

Oh dear Mr Frog, your trust has been betrayed eh? Has not the UK given you millions of pounds to stop shipping human detritus across the channel? Can we have our money back?

Edited September 16, 2021 by bruno22rf

[Rob85]

2 hours ago, bruno22rf said:

Oh dear Mr Frog, your trust has been betrayed eh? Has not the UK given you millions of pounds to stop shipping human detritus across the channel? Can we have our money back?

As they are supposed to register in the first country they set foot in, maybe we should send the bill for the upkeep of all the ones who get here to the EU seeing as it should be them dealing with them.

[oldypigeonpopper]

2 hours ago, bruno22rf said:

Oh dear Mr Frog, your trust has been betrayed eh? Has not the UK given you millions of pounds to stop shipping human detritus across the channel? Can we have our money back?

Good post

[Vince Green]

3 hours ago, ditchman said:

point being they were selling exocet missiles to the Argi's during the falklands war ?

and when some of them failed to go off they flew technicians out there to recalibrate them.

[henry d]

3 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

and when some of them failed to go off they flew technicians out there to recalibrate them.

Part and parcel of the deal, at that time our sea wolf close range weapons wouldn't work on targets that are not in inbound to the vessel with sea wolf which is (one reason) why HMS Glasgow was hit by a 1000lb bomb. 

They sent down a technical team to sort it.

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, bruno22rf said:

Oh dear Mr Frog, your trust has been betrayed eh? Has not the UK given you millions of pounds to stop shipping human detritus across the channel? Can we have our money back?

Point of order Mr chairman

we pay them millions of pounds to pay for extra patrols. Nobody said anything about the extra patrols stopping the boats. We were just stupid to think thats what the patrols would be doing.

[Vince Green]

52 minutes ago, Rob85 said:

As they are supposed to register in the first country they set foot in, maybe we should send the bill for the upkeep of all the ones who get here to the EU seeing as it should be them dealing with them.

The countries have wised up to this long ago and make sure they are given no documentation that can be used to prove they ever passed through

[henry d]

2 hours ago, Rob85 said:

As they are supposed to register in the first country they set foot in...

No they are not, right wing propaganda again!

"Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.

 

There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive"

Amnesty international.

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

The countries have wised up to this long ago and make sure they are given no documentation that can be used to prove they ever passed through

And this too

[scobydog]

The rule is that asylum seekers  have a  right to have there case heard in the 1st safe country they arrive in, but they are not obliged to do so if they don't want to. 

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[Bigbob]

Maybe if France had done something about the refugees we paid them millions to deal with we could of dealt with them 

[12gauge82]

47 minutes ago, henry d said:

No they are not, right wing propaganda again!

"Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.

 

There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive"

Amnesty international.

And this too

To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in,[6] and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in, is the final decision in all EU countries. However, among some asylum seekers, the fingerprinting and registration is vehemently resisted in countries that are not considered asylum-seeker friendly, as they often wish to apply for asylum in Germany and Sweden where benefits are more generous.[

[scobydog]

The Dublin regulation has just been suspended for Syrian refugees, they make up the largest section currently on the move. This was done by the Germans.

 

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[12gauge82]

18 minutes ago, scobydog said:

The Dublin regulation has just been suspended for Syrian refugees, they make up the largest section currently on the move. This was done by the Germans.

 

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Thanks for the info. But it just goes to show it was never adhered to anyway. 

[Vince Green]

36 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in,[6] and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in, is the final decision in all EU countries. However, among some asylum seekers, the fingerprinting and registration is vehemently resisted in countries that are not considered asylum-seeker friendly, as they often wish to apply for asylum in Germany and Sweden where benefits are more generous.[

It doesn't make a massive amount of difference because if Italy granted them all assylum immediately, just rubber stamped everybody.. Once its granted they can then legally move to Germany or Sweden under freedom of movement. However, that doesn't apply to Britain any more.  

[Zapp]

Militarily a good decision to choose nuclear boats over diesel 

[Jega]

Apparently the Froggies insisted that all sub's must have a reverse gear .( just in case ).

[henry d]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

It doesn't make a massive amount of difference because if Italy granted them all assylum immediately, just rubber stamped everybody.. Once its granted they can then legally move to Germany or Sweden under freedom of movement...

No they can't.

And regarding Dublin agreement;

"The Dublin III Regulation identifies the Member State responsible for determining an asylum application using a hierarchy of criteria. These include: family unity, possession of residence documents or visas, irregular entry or stay, and visa-waived entry. UK Government guidance on the Dublin III Regulation highlights that family unity is a primary consideration"

So not just where they first arrived, they have around 5 months to pass through a country on the way to a country that has consideration of family.

[Vince Green]

56 minutes ago, henry d said:

No they can't.

 

I disagree with you. Once a person is granted amnesty/ unconditional leave to remain in any EU country they enjoy all the rights of any other EU citizen.