12gauge82 Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 13 hours ago, Smokersmith said: How about judging it after it’s aired. Just a thought … Usually I'd agree, but the fact the BBC are going to broadcast it after being at least partly responsible for all of that ville creatures victims being abused. It'd be like a group of people committing murder then trusting them to make up the jury for the trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, Scully said: I can understand people’s reaction to this, the entire business is loathesome, and that also of the BBC’s role in it, but if you read the link it states that there has been much consulting of those impacted by Saville. Its an important part of our social history and the attitudes common at that time which allowed him and people like him to flourish, and needs to be shown in my opinion. Hello, good post Scully, I can only add if ITV are involved in making this Docu Drama, is it not better to be shown on ITV ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, good post Scully, I can only add if ITV are involved in making this Docu Drama, is it not better to be shown on ITV ? Perhaps, I don’t know really? The Beeb will be judged either way, and won’t come out of this smelling of roses. They will be under immense pressure to get this right, as they will attract much criticism if it is perceived they are hanging back in any way. It will be interesting to see how their TOTP colleagues, TV producers etc are portrayed ( if at all ) as I’m not sure you can tell the entire story but gloss over the fact others who worked with him must have known but looked the other way. Interesting time ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 45 minutes ago, Scully said: Perhaps, I don’t know really? The Beeb will be judged either way, and won’t come out of this smelling of roses. They will be under immense pressure to get this right, as they will attract much criticism if it is perceived they are hanging back in any way. It will be interesting to see how their TOTP colleagues, TV producers etc are portrayed ( if at all ) as I’m not sure you can tell the entire story but gloss over the fact others who worked with him must have known but looked the other way. Interesting time ahead. Will it show the lawyers telling the "victims" what to say to enhance their claims, I just can't help thinking this whole thing stinks, yes he was a weird individual But (I will now batton down the hatches) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, steve s×s said: Will it show the lawyers telling the "victims" what to say to enhance their claims, I just can't help thinking this whole thing stinks, yes he was a weird individual But (I will now batton down the hatches) I have no idea. I'd like to see it in all its glory, warts and all with no punches pulled, but who knows? I would think it will be quite harrowing which ever way it's portrayed. It is without doubt one of our nations most insidious and shameful episodes, all aided and abetted by, along with a fear of repercussions, from the so called establishment. Truly despicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 Quote Will it show the lawyers telling the "victims" what to say to enhance their claims I assume you have a link to back this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 this will open the doors to other "wonderful" sensertiveitly made programs how about ... the life and times of Ceril Smith paul gadd .."do you wanna be in my gang" Dolphin square.........(long running soap / docu drama) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: I assume you have a link to back this up. You don't happen to be a lawyer, there is no such link for obvious reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 Quote You don't happen to be a lawyer, there is no such link for obvious reasons Perhaps you could enlighten me. Just what is the basis for such an allegation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 Grooming happens in many forms, and Saville started a very long time ago in technology terms. I think any help to showcase grooming and warning signs isn't necessarily bad. Even if it helps just 1 child, that is a result. It depends how it is documented that may be tasteless. May all the survivors take peace that others may not suffer the same, rather than continuing pain from seeing it. Survivors, not victims. (nice definition of the above, which is how I intended it to be: Both terms have their place and serve different purposes. Although victim is a legal definition necessary within the criminal justice system, survivor can be used as a term of empowerment to convey that a person has started the healing process and may have gained a sense of peace in their life.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Anything involving Jimmy Saville will be uncomfortable viewing. It will be interesting to see how he managed to stay so famous , and how that enabled him to get away with things for so long , as he was the least talented person I've ever seen on a TV screen. He used to make me cringe long before his nasty little secrets came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Hello, quite a few people who worked in the BBC at the knew what was going on yet fore what ever reason never spoke up against him, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, quite a few people who worked in the BBC at the knew what was going on yet fore what ever reason never spoke up against him, Exactly. Are we now going to trust the same organisation to broadcast an acurate representation of the events that took place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, quite a few people who worked in the BBC at the knew what was going on yet fore what ever reason never spoke up against him, this is the truly worrying thing............like a dark sub-culture.........and money was at the heart of it...."keep yer gob shut and earn loads of money......." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 3 hours ago, mel b3 said: he was the least talented person I've ever seen on a TV screen. Have you never watched Ant and Dec? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 4 hours ago, mel b3 said: Anything involving Jimmy Saville will be uncomfortable viewing. It will be interesting to see how he managed to stay so famous , and how that enabled him to get away with things for so long , as he was the least talented person I've ever seen on a TV screen. He used to make me cringe long before his nasty little secrets came out. My thoughts entirely, having never met him and after only seeing him on TV I said to my wife just see what is said or happens after his passing as it was so clear he was capable and had all the hallmarks. It baffles me why people around him did not out him. They are almost a guilty as him in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 5 hours ago, London Best said: Have you never watched Ant and Dec? Jimmy Saville made ant and Dec look like amazingly talented world class entertainers . 😅 Long before I knew anything about Jimmy Savilles perverted antics , I would see him on the TV from time to time , and all I thought was , what a conceited knob. 4 hours ago, Good shot? said: My thoughts entirely, having never met him and after only seeing him on TV I said to my wife just see what is said or happens after his passing as it was so clear he was capable and had all the hallmarks. It baffles me why people around him did not out him. They are almost a guilty as him in my view. I'm amazed that nobody ever punched the living xxxx out of the dirty old pervert . The rich and famous obviously have a very different set of morals compared to us normal folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 8 hours ago, ditchman said: this is the truly worrying thing............like a dark sub-culture.........and money was at the heart of it...."keep yer gob shut and earn loads of money......." Esther Rantzen name came up as one who knew about his goings on,if that's true so much for Child line charity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 9 hours ago, Good shot? said: My thoughts entirely, having never met him and after only seeing him on TV I said to my wife just see what is said or happens after his passing as it was so clear he was capable and had all the hallmarks. It baffles me why people around him did not out him. They are almost a guilty as him in my view. i think alot of folk breathed a sigh of relief at his passing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) When you look back he was a bit weird. But it doesn't seem that long ago when he was top billing saturday evening viewing with stuff like " jim'll fix it" no one seemed to see him for what he was. There were police, royal marines and all sorts on the program. And if you also think back to the carry on days, all of the kind of effeminate characters were just considered as funny oddball character actors rather than full blown types. I remember Louis Theroux doing some sort of expose, trailling saville around and really getting under his skin. Saville got right annoyed with him and eventually saville wouldn't continue with the programme and it sort of stopped without following it up or pushing the point. An opportunity to out him before he keeled over. Probably protected by the organisation and legal threats. Edited September 28, 2021 by Minky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 41 minutes ago, Minky said: When you look back he was a bit weird. But it doesn't seem that long ago when he was top billing saturday evening viewing with stuff like " jim'll fix it" no one seemed to see him for what he was. There were police, royal marines and all sorts on the program. And if you also think back to the carry on days, all of the kind of effeminate characters were just considered as funny oddball character actors rather than full blown types. I remember Louis Theroux doing some sort of expose, trailling saville around and really getting under his skin. Saville got right annoyed with him and eventually saville wouldn't continue with the programme and it sort of stopped without following it up or pushing the point. An opportunity to out him before he keeled over. Probably protected by the organisation and legal threats. A different era, maybe we as a nation weren't so tuned in to people like that as we are now, or maybe he was so overt with what he was up to the public just thought it couldn't be true. The BBC and those close to him must have known though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 12 hours ago, Good shot? said: It baffles me why people around him did not out him. They are almost a guilty as him in my view. It was in plain sight the whole time. It was an open secret. On 27/09/2021 at 10:02, 12gauge82 said: Usually I'd agree, but the fact the BBC are going to broadcast it after being at least partly responsible for all of that vile creature's victims being abused. Indeed, the BBC have no business being involved in this, whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 Just so wrong on both counts, no doubt to be flogged worldwide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, old man said: Just so wrong on both counts, no doubt to be flogged worldwide? would be watched on all the NHS wards...and the BBC canteen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 12 hours ago, ditchman said: would be watched on all the NHS wards...and the BBC canteen 🥸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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