Channel Migrants

[udderlyoffroad]

13 minutes ago, GHE said:

It all comes from the Overseas Aid Budget.  This used to be 1.7% of GDP, but the government reduced it to 1.5% on a "temporary basis"

Every penny that's spent on asylum seekers, refugees and so on (food, accommodation, benefits, sea rescue etc) reduces the amount paid out in overseas aid, so the taxpayer doesn't pay anything.  The government even claims the money spent by charities and not by them, and claims the money paid to the French etc too.

The people who are really paying for this is the starving people in other parts of the world that the money was earmarked to help.

Top trolling!

Had me going that you were serious for a minute there 🤣

 

[GHE]

18 minutes ago, Luckyshot said:

So where does this magic pot of overseas money come from then ? our taxes, thought so.

Yes, but that's a legal obligation that (I think) all first world countries have signed up to, we just pay out less than most.

8 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Top trolling!

Had me going that you were serious for a minute there 🤣

 

What we know depends on where we look for info, the Daily Mail, Nigel Farage and social media aren't reliable sources:)

This is published by Private Eye

 

[ditchman]

On 22/08/2023 at 21:40, ditchman said:

said ...on the BBC this evening that if they keep coming like that..it will cost our country 5 Billion/year..to look after them

 

just on a slight tangent....how much /person will it cost to look after them on a barge.....you have a lot of costs there...rent of the barge ..doc's nurses...cooks...food...heating water...buses...blah blah blah

 

i bet it is more expensive that hotels

figurers just realeased by the home office.............10 years ago it was costing us £500 million to look after these so called migrants

todays figurers released....from the home office (if you believe them)...it is now costing us £5 billion/year....so the 5 bilion mark was hit a lot sooner thn i thought

i bet these figurers are massarged and are alot more indirect hidden costs...............

£5 billion is a lot of dosh to look after these incomers as opposed to looking after our own first...

 

im just waiting to be de-banked for my posts

4 minutes ago, GHE said:

Yes, but that's a legal obligation that (I think) all first world countries have signed up to, we just pay out less than most.

What we know depends on where we look for info, the Daily Mail, Nigel Farage and social media aren't reliable sources:)

This is published by Private Eye

 

i wouldnt rest my life on anything printed that Ian Hislop had something to do with...........odious cowardly little creature

[GHE]

11 minutes ago, ditchman said:

figurers just realeased by the home office.............10 years ago it was costing us £500 million to look after these so called migrants

todays figurers released....from the home office (if you believe them)...it is now costing us £5 billion/year....so the 5 bilion mark was hit a lot sooner thn i thought

i bet these figurers are massarged and are alot more indirect hidden costs...............

£5 billion is a lot of dosh to look after these incomers as opposed to looking after our own first...

 

im just waiting to be de-banked for my posts

i wouldnt rest my life on anything printed that Ian Hislop had something to do with...........odious cowardly little creature

Who should we believe then - the odious politician that nobody ever elected and who defrauded his own members out of milllions?

 

Anyway, I'm bowing out of this thread now, telling the truth to those who won't listen is a waste of time and effort.

[udderlyoffroad]

Wait, you're serious aren't you?  

40 minutes ago, GHE said:

so the taxpayer doesn't pay anything. 

You could, possibly, argue that there is no *net* cost to the tax payer as the money would've been spent on other things anyway.

That argument also has holes you could drive a coach and horses through, but it's a damn sight more credible than "the taxpayer doesn't pay anything"

By the way

• the government has no other sources of income than "the taxpayer"*
• Overseas aid generally doesn't go to 'starving people' - it is (or should be) far more geared to long-term infrastructure projects (indoor plumbing, education etc) than emergency relief
• A quick google will tell you the UK is mid-to-top of table when it comes to foreign aid spending
• I remember when Private Eye occasionally did quality journalism too

*Ok, arguably, borrowing and selling off assets.

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, GHE said:

The people who are really paying for this is the starving people in other parts of the world that the money was earmarked to help.

 

Spending aid in the UK

Under international aid rules, many of the costs of hosting refugees can count towards the aid budget for the first 12 months refugees are in the UK. This includes basic subsistence costs, such as food and accommodation.

A growing amount of UK aid has been spent on UK-based refugees, with spending increasing from £410 million in 2016 to £3,686 million in 2022 (rising from 3.2% of the aid budget to 28.9%). The Home Office was responsible for £2,382 million of this aid spending in 2022. Most of this money went towards providing food and shelter for refugees. Other aid, such as on scholarships and administration, is also spent in the UK. In 2021, this totalled £727 million.

So are you saying the money should come from other budgets, and not from overseas aid ?
As it all comes from taxes anyway, does it really make a difference ?

https://www.context.news/socioeconomic-inclusion/britains-foreign-aid-where-does-the-money-go

While its hard to argue there may well be starving people in some of these countries, others... Well ?
I think you need to read up on actual facts and figures, and leave journalistic musings where they belong.

[Newbie to this]

6 hours ago, Rewulf said:

So will France take them back , what do you think ?

No a chance in hell, well not if we give them a choice anyway.

[12gauge82]

13 hours ago, Good shot? said:

There is nothing more I would like to see than the return of the boat people back to their embarkation point as that point would be easy to prove with modern technology.

However how long would it take before we had to have armed personnel carrying this out?

So be it! What would the french do, go to war with us? I don't think so.

12 hours ago, GHE said:

That view is based on the mistaken belief that they arrive here illegally. They don't arrive illegally, they set out in small boats, shout for help and are rescued. They arrive as rescued passengers, which gives them the right to land as it's the captain of the rescue ship who decides where to land them (and which is why they refuse to be rescued by French ships).

The Carpathia picked up 705 people in small boats from the Titanic, nobody thought it wrong to take them to the nearest port, and in terms of international law, the Americans couldn't refuse to allow them to land and nothing has changed...

The whole situation is one gigantic mess that can only have a political solution. This government is trying to whip up hysteria by falsely claiming that the taxpayer is spending £6m a day on hotel bills, which is just a lie - it doesn't cost the taxpayer anything at all.

That's okay, we could simply "rescue" them straight back to where they came from, a French beach.

[Good shot?]

I would not like to be the Captain of a relatively small rescue boat with few crew having to pick up 30/50 unknown illegal immigrants and tell them we are returning you to France now, regardless of the legal position.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Good shot?

[Rem260]

3 hours ago, Good shot? said:

I would not like to be the Captain of a relatively small rescue boat with few crew having to pick up 30/50 unknown illegal immigrants and tell them we are returning you to France now, regardless of the legal position.

Unless that boat was crewed by armed Royal Marines.

[Pushkin]

Not really replying to the topic as such, more a case of looking for information about the conditions on the water for these illegal immigrants trying to cross?  Anyone on here knowledegable about/with the English channel and what the weather systems are like throughout?  I've heard it described as one of the busiest shipping areas on the planet - is this so?  What types of weather systems will these inflatable tourists face in the journey over. During the Dunkirk evacuation the small baots all seemed to get across and back reasonably well without navy or coastguard support, and they were oft times under fire from German airplanes and coastal batteries looking to sink them.  Anyone have thie knowledge?

Pushkin

Edited August 25, 2023 by Pushkin

[old man]

2 hours ago, Rem260 said:

Unless that boat was crewed by armed Royal Marines.

The bliar woman would be on that quicker than teflon was on the expenses?

[ditchman]

4 minutes ago, old man said:

The bliar woman would be on that quicker than teflon was on the expenses?

i believe Blair shedded ALL reciepts ..details...purchase receipts prior to leavingoffice ...as was the right of an outgoing prime minister.............that s why he is Teflon......

[12gauge82]

8 hours ago, Good shot? said:

I would not like to be the Captain of a relatively small rescue boat with few crew having to pick up 30/50 unknown illegal immigrants and tell them we are returning you to France now, regardless of the legal position.

As a country we absolutely do have the means to identify, track, intercept and return anyone arriving here in small boats from France and it could be done very cheaply, especially when compared to the eye watering costs of funding all these people arriving here. All that's lacking is the will of our Politicians.

[FOXHUNTER1]

21 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

As a country we absolutely do have the means to identify, track, intercept and return anyone arriving here in small boats from France and it could be done very cheaply, especially when compared to the eye watering costs of funding all these people arriving here. All that's lacking is the will of our Politicians.

This , they are a bunch of gutless cowards. 

[Yellow Bear]

As an off the wall suggestion maybe make the Human Rights lawyers pay for the upkeep of each person they represent on appeal until the case is dealt with. If they win they get re imbursed if not they pay including their fees.  This may reduce constant vexatious  appeals and speed things up.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Yellow Bear
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[enfieldspares]

On 24/08/2023 at 12:41, 12gauge82 said:

Don't give them a choice, dump them straight back on their beaches. There'd be tantrums, the UK would be called all sorts and uk politicians and the woke uk population would have a meltdown that would make the vote to leave the EU mild. But in the end there'd be nothing they could do and illegal migration would virtually stop.

And then when the French retaliate and close the Calais and its sister French ports to all traffic bound for the UK be that by ferry or shuttle how long would the UK last before the supermarket shelves were empty? Announced on the six o'clock news empty by the ten o'clock news. And then what?

[armsid]

We managed without France for 6 yrs and survived time we looked inwards to self sufficiency and produced our own food and goods ourselves Mind you Germany might not like the loss of their  car market and we could get our fishing grounds backJust think of it a reversal of Dunkirk OOWEE where is your boat your country needs it

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, enfieldspares said:

And then when the French retaliate and close the Calais and its sister French ports to all traffic bound for the UK be that by ferry or shuttle how long would the UK last before the supermarket shelves were empty? Announced on the six o'clock news empty by the ten o'clock news. And then what?

That would be tantamount to an act of war.

The UK has managed tougher challenges than that, if the French really did attempt to starve the UK population into submission for simply defending our borders from illegal immigrants it would really show the french and rest of the EU to be gangsters no better than Putin. Though I don't believe for a second they'd actually do it.

It must be terrible being that scared of the french and EU that your prepared to allow yourself to be bullied into taking their illegal migrants or afraid to leave their rotten EU gang!

9 minutes ago, armsid said:

We managed without France for 6 yrs and survived time we looked inwards to self sufficiency and produced our own food and goods ourselves Mind you Germany might not like the loss of their  car market and we could get our fishing grounds backJust think of it a reversal of Dunkirk OOWEE where is your boat your country needs it

Very well said

Edited August 25, 2023 by 12gauge82

[armsid]

What happens when a fishing boat from UK flounders another is in distress who will RNLI/Border Force rescue first the 2 in distress or a boatload of illegals being escorted to our waters by a French ship and then left to the elements?

[Fargo]

3 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

And then when the French retaliate and close the Calais and its sister French ports to all traffic bound for the UK be that by ferry or shuttle how long would the UK last before the supermarket shelves were empty? Announced on the six o'clock news empty by the ten o'clock news. And then what?

We’d just import more from Spain by boat or Central Europe by air.

Would cost more but all the scare mongering is ridiculous. 

[old man]

16 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

As a country we absolutely do have the means to identify, track, intercept and return anyone arriving here in small boats from France and it could be done very cheaply, especially when compared to the eye watering costs of funding all these people arriving here. All that's lacking is the will of our Politicians.

That, seemingly is why they become politicos, their only will is for themselves?

[oowee]

On 23/08/2023 at 23:00, 12gauge82 said:

You are describing a never ending pyramid scheme relying on ever more unsustainable immigration and higher population numbers, while we're being told that climate change is happening due to unsustainable human use of the planets resources.

Something has to give.

And this is the reality.

^^^^ This is how we are running UK plc. 

[Dave-G]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

^^^^ This is how we are running UK plc. 

Don't fall over in shock - but I have to agree with that. 

[ditchman]

bring back the birch ..i say.....give 'emm a damn good thrashing sir..