Channel Migrants

[Old farrier]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Excellent idea 

I believe it’s still part of the country they are travelling to so merely a transport issue and there all used to boat journeys 

could also have a immigration officer on board going through the paperwork on the journey 

just a thought 

[Dave-G]

1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, is that for just off road on the farm shoot Dave ?

It was intended to be a small occasional runabout and golf course/grazing field portable rifle shooting mobility tool with an hydraulic type auto box, so it had to be an old one to avoid CRT gearboxes. I eventually got a Grand Vitara manual instead  but don't get on with manual so have now bought my third bulkier than I actually need auto X-TRAIL - with its wider than usual front doors. 

I shoot out of the drivers door window using the mirror bracket as a front support and steer the car towards the rabbits. Its effectively a portable shooting bench rest where I'm not struggling to breath calmly for a shot because I'm fully rested. I also use a thermal roof spotter with internal 7" monitor inside the car.

Edited November 5, 2022 by Dave-G

[Scully]

Just dropped into this and was taken to the last post, to find a photograph of a man leaning out of his vehicle with a rifle, and mention of a thermal spotter…..in a thread about Channel migrants! 😳

[Dave-G]

3 minutes ago, Scully said:

Just dropped into this and was taken to the last post, to find a photograph of a man leaning out of his vehicle with a rifle, and mention of a thermal spotter…..in a thread about Channel migrants! 😳

Exploitive? posting I'm afraid. I took advantage of a quote question to remind members of the 4WD I have for sale on here - and saves bumping it. 

[Scully]

28 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Exploitive? posting I'm afraid. I took advantage of a quote question to remind members of the 4WD I have for sale on here - and saves bumping it. 

🙂👍

[oowee]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63488070.amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#aoh=16676496409072&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-europe-63488070

What a waste of space our govt. They should b on this like a rat up a drain pipe. Probably refusing to talk to the enemy(France) as they are part of Satan's clan (EU). 🤣 seriously u could not make tgis up. Even a rep from the refugee council said this week they should be quickly processed and repatriated. Only 4 % of last years intake have been processed. Mad completely mad.

 

[JohnfromUK]

23 minutes ago, oowee said:

Only 4 % of last years intake have been processed. Mad completely mad.

The reason was given in a radio interview this morning.  It seems that each immigration official is now only processing between 1 and 1 1/2 applications a week - which is a huge drop on both past performance and expected performance. 

One of the biggest reasons is that many/most immigrants destroy their documents/passports/IDs. 

When asked why, the reasons is that they are instructed so to do by the smugglers (who may in many cases take the papers/passports/IDs from them) under false pretences and without any ID they can neither be easily processed for asylum - nor be returned/sent anywhere.  Meanwhile the papers are of course 'saleable' by the smugglers.  The immigrants are told that without any ID they cannot be deported, and can also claim to be different ages/nationalities to suit 'spun stories'.

Trying to sort this out is why each immigrant takes about 4 man days of work.

 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

The reason was given in a radio interview this morning.  It seems that each immigration official is now only processing between 1 and 1 1/2 applications a week - which is a huge drop on both past performance and expected performance. 

One of the biggest reasons is that many/most immigrants destroy their documents/passports/IDs. 

When asked why, the reasons is that they are instructed so to do by the smugglers (who may in many cases take the papers/passports/IDs from them) under false pretences and without any ID they can neither be easily processed for asylum - nor be returned/sent anywhere.  Meanwhile the papers are of course 'saleable' by the smugglers.  The immigrants are told that without any ID they cannot be deported, and can also claim to be different ages/nationalities to suit 'spun stories'.

Trying to sort this out is why each immigrant takes about 4 man days of work.

 

Which comes back to just drop them straight back on a French beach, one week of that and it'd be problem solved. Of course our elected government will never do it as they're afraid of being branded racist and xenophobic, never mind when the next boat load drowns, as long as they can still keep appearances up. 

[Yellow Bear]

34 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Which comes back to just drop them straight back on a French beach, one week of that and it'd be problem solved. Of course our elected government will never do it as they're afraid of being branded racist and xenophobic, never mind when the next boat load drowns, as long as they can still keep appearances up. 

Whilst the government takes the blame a lot of the problem is the woke/lefty civil service who continually do anything not to carry out instructions in order to bring down the government. 

[12gauge82]

10 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

Whilst the government takes the blame a lot of the problem is the woke/lefty civil service who continually do anything not to carry out instructions in order to bring down the government. 

Yes very true, its the entire state and that was blatantly obvious with the entire governmental machine attempting to block brexit. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

3 hours ago, Dave-G said:

Exploitive? posting I'm afraid. I took advantage of a quote question to remind members of the 4WD I have for sale on here - and saves bumping it. 

Ok it's just my son is changing his motor and his old one is still going strong but would only be good for field work only and left on the farm, not road work as will have no mot

[oowee]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

The reason was given in a radio interview this morning.  It seems that each immigration official is now only processing between 1 and 1 1/2 applications a week - which is a huge drop on both past performance and expected performance. 

One of the biggest reasons is that many/most immigrants destroy their documents/passports/IDs. 

When asked why, the reasons is that they are instructed so to do by the smugglers (who may in many cases take the papers/passports/IDs from them) under false pretences and without any ID they can neither be easily processed for asylum - nor be returned/sent anywhere.  Meanwhile the papers are of course 'saleable' by the smugglers.  The immigrants are told that without any ID they cannot be deported, and can also claim to be different ages/nationalities to suit 'spun stories'.

Trying to sort this out is why each immigrant takes about 4 man days of work.

 

That's simply an excuse. No docs is old news. They need to show corroborated evidence. To make a case. If not jail. 

There has been plenty of time to get enough staff. Asylum status has to be proven its not a fall back option. ? 

34 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

Whilst the government takes the blame a lot of the problem is the woke/lefty civil service who continually do anything not to carry out instructions in order to bring down the government. 

That demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the work. Unless your referring to the illegal action they are being told to do this week. 

[JohnfromUK]

12 minutes ago, oowee said:

There has been plenty of time to get enough staff.

That ends up as nonsense if you have 1000 potentially asylum candidates/immigrants a week on average and it takes (say) 0.75 of a week per applicant.  The numbers of staff needed is just too great and too expensive.  It is totally non sustainable (and unaffordable).

Equally, since a lot cannot show "corroborated evidence", it is simply not practical to jail that number of people short of building concentration camps!

[Walker570]

3 hours ago, Scully said:

Just dropped into this and was taken to the last post, to find a photograph of a man leaning out of his vehicle with a rifle, and mention of a thermal spotter…..in a thread about Channel migrants! 😳

YES!!! my thoughts entirely but I know Dave reasonably well and he wouldn't hurt a....I was going to say rabbit.

With regard to the whole issue of migrants illegal or otherwise,  I heard galloping horse hooves many moons ago. Our 'rulers' have totally failed. Of course, as with the Dems in the USA they, Labour, see this influx as future voting fodder.

[Yellow Bear]

12 minutes ago, oowee said:

That demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the work. Unless your referring to the illegal action they are being told to do this week. 

In this case I was not referring to recent activities in particular but if the cap fits *****

It was my misfortune to work with "public servants" may times in my career as far back as the PSA before it was thankfully "sold off".  It would be difficult to list the number of times they were obstructive, difficult, lazy, and down right devious if what you were doing was not what "they" wanted regardless of what was in the agreed contract.  It is also obvious by the type and level of "leak" that the senior ranks have their own agenda which is obviously left wing and increases their power over that of the elected government.

 

[Dave-G]

17 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

Whilst the government takes the blame a lot of the problem is the woke/lefty civil service who continually do anything not to carry out instructions in order to bring down the government. 

Seems very much like a case of gov departments being a work to rule closed shop ... activism of course with lefty Labour supporting unions to undo measures the general public had in mind when they voted conservative and Brexit.

[old man]

20 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

In this case I was not referring to recent activities in particular but if the cap fits *****

It was my misfortune to work with "public servants" may times in my career as far back as the PSA before it was thankfully "sold off".  It would be difficult to list the number of times they were obstructive, difficult, lazy, and down right devious if what you were doing was not what "they" wanted regardless of what was in the agreed contract.  It is also obvious by the type and level of "leak" that the senior ranks have their own agenda which is obviously left wing and increases their power over that of the elected government.

 

I had that misfortune too but found that the so called private sector was equally as obstructive, difficult,lazy, downright devious and found on inspection to be positiveiy crooked on occasion?

To be honest run side by side they were equally abysmal and lax with specifications.

Edited November 6, 2022 by old man

[Vince Green]

On 05/11/2022 at 17:17, Yellow Bear said:

Whilst the government takes the blame a lot of the problem is the woke/lefty civil service who continually do anything not to carry out instructions in order to bring down the government. 

This is true, you forgot to add lazy and working from home 

The simple answer would be to open a processing centre in Rwanda as they tried to do but were obstructed 

Limit the amount of money these lawyers can earn from "representing " a boat person. Stop the time wasting appeals

and kick the ECHR out from immigration cases. Its well intentioned but open to exploitation 

[12gauge82]

14 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

This is true, you forgot to add lazy and working from home 

The simple answer would be to open a processing centre in Rwanda as they tried to do but were obstructed 

Limit the amount of money these lawyers can earn from "representing " a boat person. Stop the time wasting appeals

and kick the ECHR out from immigration cases. Its well intentioned but open to exploitation 

Spot on about the echr and hra, we all probably have some of our human rights breached on a regular basis anyway, but unless you have tens of thousands of pounds to spend in the courts every time it happens, the law isn't available to protect those rights in most cases, so in the end, it ends up protecting murders, rapists and illegal migrants (sometimes all three of those things are the same person). This countries legal system worked just fine before we joined. 

[Penelope]

On 05/11/2022 at 12:05, Rewulf said:

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63488070.amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#aoh=16676496409072&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-europe-63488070

From the BBC 😲.

[Dave-G]

8 minutes ago, Penelope said:

From the BBC 😲.

Indeed - it's highly remarkable that they seem to be not chewing .GOV on this occasion.

Edit, sorry words failed me - that they have actually explained why .GOV have such a mammoth task while trying to trying to embarrass it.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Dave-G

[Vince Green]

On 05/11/2022 at 17:53, oowee said:

 Asylum status has to be proven its not a fall back option. ? 

Unfortunately that's not the case. As soon as any individual mutters the magic word "asylum " (and it is a magic word) they become untouchable. 

They are immediately entitled to a whole range of benefits and protections. Including legal aid

Essentially then we are on the back foot. It becomes our job to prove their claim is not genuine. Even then their lawyer will appeal over and over again until the case is eventually dropped.

 

[Westley]

Maybe things will end soon because so many are complaining about the conditions here and how the hotels do not meet with their expectations, perhaps they will find another Country even more soft than we are  ?    🙄

Anyway, I'm just off to feed the pigs, they fly in every morning around this time  !

[JohnfromUK]

There was an interview again (R4 Today programme this morning).  I can't remember the full exact figures, but we have circa 1000 staff processing asylum claims for channel crossers, taking several days per individual claim and a backlog of (I think I have this right) 165,000 cases.  The time taken to process each claim has roughly doubled (excluding any appeals etc.) and despite roughly doubling processing staff - no headway is being made against the backlog.

A significant impediment seems to be that any documentation, records, proof, has been 'lost' which probably means either destroyed or taken by the smugglers.  A further impediment is that a wide variety of languages are involved (needing a huge resource in interpreters in addition to the processing staff) and there is a tendency to 'not understanding' when difficult questions are put.

The lack of documentation and language/comprehension troubles (genuine, exaggerated or fabricated) leaves the field open for 'activists and lawyers'.

[Boybrit]

Per decree ban the RNLI from ever getting involved = some drownings will happen, then they the asylum/economic migrants will slow down their influx?