armsid Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 As Farage says this is the unseen UK cost of illegal immigration and will only cause more resent .What would happen if i went to France posted my passport back here then went down to the beach and jumped into a dinghy and sailed over the same way got *rescued* could i not get the same treatment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Newbie to this said: I was replying to the above coment from Rewulf. Stating that these people crossing the Channel and entering the UK illegally, are in fact, sinners. Law breaking is a sin right, it's been a while since I've been to confession? What on earth are you going on about, do you mean from a Christian (RC) perspective or British law? No I don't see any correlation. Are you really suggesting that a defence for their law breaking is, people speed. You are having a laugh or are really out of your depth, you seem to be saying that because of their entry to the UK is in your opinion illegal they are sinners and if I point out that speeding is illegal and therefore in your opinion a sin and you cannot see the similarities? Does the same logic apply to murderers, rapists etc 🤔 Having a laugh then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, armsid said: As Farage says this is the unseen UK cost of illegal immigration and will only cause more resentment .What would happen if i went to France posted my passport back here then went down to the beach and jumped into a dinghy and sailed over the same way got *rescued* (why would you be rescued in a sailing dinghy on the way back to your country of origin?) could i not get the same treatment? (sent to Rwanda? ) Critical thinking has left the building this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, henry d said: What on earth are you going on about, do you mean from a Christian (RC) perspective or British law? I don't believe the law refers to breaches as sin. 9 hours ago, henry d said: You are having a laugh or are really out of your depth, you seem to be saying that because of their entry to the UK is in your opinion illegal they are sinners and if I point out that speeding is illegal and therefore in your opinion a sin and you cannot see the similarities? No I cannot see any correlation, or any relevance in comparing the two. Just for the record I don't classs them (illegal immigrants) as sinners, merely as law breakers, and as such they should be deported immediately, not put up in hotels at the tax payer's expense. People speeding does not justify their law breaking entry into our country. If you wasn't suggesting it does, then what was your point in pointing out speeding is also against the law? Whataboutery? 9 hours ago, henry d said: Does the same logic apply to murderers, rapists etc 🤔 Having a laugh then? So if you were trying to justify their law breaking, by pointing out that speeding is also against the law. Does that justification also apply to murderers, rapist etc. or not? Edited November 17, 2022 by Newbie to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 17 hours ago, henry d said: No, I work or have worked with all those groups and a few more from a third sector perspective as they are underfunded and have been underfunded for years. We don't have one single queue, we don't put one person in front of another, we deal with things in groups or sets if you prefer so most people will be subsets of others and are dealt with in those groups. So your question is just ridiculous. Really, was it that hard? You are pointing out that you believe law breaking is a sin and I believe you mean migrants, yet if I ask if you break speeding laws you don't see the connection? Your answer is nonsense. These groups are made up of individuals and the reason they are in your groups is because they can't get one to one treatment. You make as much sense as the Just Stop Oil lunatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Just for the record I don't classs them (illegal immigrants) as sinners, merely as law breakers, and as such they should be deported immediately, not put up in hotels at the tax payer's expense. I reckon a lot of them get straight off the dinghy and into employment with G4S. Has anyone noticed the amount of people of African origin working as security guards in supermarkets , job centres and government buildings, who barely speak a word of English ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 41 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I reckon a lot of them get straight off the dinghy and into employment with G4S. Can't be, I thought they were all Doctors, nurses, surgeons etc. Perhaps it's just we don't recognise their skills, so they have to take low skill work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Perhaps it's just we don't recognise their skills, so they have to take low skill work. It would be funny if they didnt have any other documentation, except their medical degree certs, or their engineering diplomas ? I suspect the only qualifications a lot of them have , is that their country of origin has them on a criminal wanted list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 50 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I suspect the only qualifications a lot of them have , is that their country of origin has them on a criminal wanted list. Seems that some are quickly making it onto ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 16/11/2022 at 12:48, oowee said: Nothing wrong with that at all but you have to have a plan (we dont) and you have to pay for it (we can't). We had more power, more money and more influence in than out. Simply put the cost is equivalent to 4p on the basic rate of tax. The tax hikes we will see tomorrow need not happen. The honors list is historica patronage that should either be re purposed or abolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 16/11/2022 at 12:48, oowee said: Nothing wrong with that at all but you have to have a plan (we dont) and you have to pay for it (we can't). We had more power, more money and more influence in than out. Simply put the cost is equivalent to 4p on the basic rate of tax. The tax hikes we will see tomorrow need not happen. The honors list is historica patronage that should either be re purposed or abolished. Have to agree and sadly by design we are unable to change it. We have by design also given away everything of any value, leaving the dross to elevate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Rewulf said: I reckon a lot of them get straight off the dinghy and into employment with G4S. Has anyone noticed the amount of people of African origin working as security guards in supermarkets , job centres and government buildings, who barely speak a word of English ? Coduct likely to cause a breach of the peace as was once known. Now a Public Order Act arrestable offence. Any sensible, old school, police officer would arrest the moron that has made this video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 So, an Asylum seeker accused of raping a young boy, was released by Police in East London and later found in a Hotel in Bucks where children are also staying. He was released previousley on bail and ordered to return in January, after inquiries had been made, and banned from the Waltham Forest area where the rape took place. Absolutely unbelievable, do they think him only capable of rape in one particular place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 04/11/2022 at 10:09, Dave-G said: Would that mean you support those mostly prime of life military age males not even attempting to hide their gradually growing enclaves and gangs to install their sharia law against women here. Some of us do in fact look and see what is happening because so few of them are bringing their wives and children ....yet. Nope, what I meant was that there is a reason for gay people to get away and seek asylum in a tolerant country and that it is not something that is easily shared with anyone until they think they are safe. /Markus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nuke said: Nope, what I meant was that there is a reason for gay people to get away and seek asylum in a tolerant country and that it is not something that is easily shared with anyone until they think they are safe. /Markus Funnily enough, most people don’t want them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) . On 17/11/2022 at 09:02, Newbie to this said: Just for the record I don't classs them (illegal immigrants) as sinners.... Really? "But these people are with sin..." Edited November 19, 2022 by henry d Something went wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, henry d said: . Really? "But these people are with sin..." Yes really. On 17/11/2022 at 09:02, Newbie to this said: People speeding does not justify their law breaking entry into our country. If you wasn't suggesting it does, then what was your point in pointing out speeding is also against the law? Whataboutery? On 16/11/2022 at 23:36, henry d said: Does the same logic apply to murderers, rapists etc 🤔 Having a laugh then? So if you were trying to justify their law breaking, by pointing out that speeding is also against the law. Does that justification also apply to murderers, rapist etc. or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 12 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Yes really. As usual, Henry has lost the debate by your logical reasoning and talking his shallow responses through to a sensible conclusion, he will now likely ignore you as he has realised you can't simply be silenced by posting a hollow argument like "that's racist" or "critical thinking has left the building". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 Its interesting that the 24/7 security outside the designated hotels in our area, are all of a nationality that would have no problem talking to the "guests" in their own language(s) . Their grasp of English is a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boybrit Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 DM headline news item today. An illegal Albanian migrant (left) deported after paying £3,500 to be smuggled into the UK by small boat has urged others not to follow in his footsteps. The man - who is only known as Artan - said he had paid criminals to get across the Channel (right) after borrowing the cash from friends and family. Artan, who describes himself as an 'economic migrant', described the journey (lower inset) as 'torture' and 'incredibly scary'. Ah didums, do I care? Serves him right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Boybrit said: DM headline news item today. An illegal Albanian migrant (left) deported after paying £3,500 to be smuggled into the UK by small boat has urged others not to follow in his footsteps. The man - who is only known as Artan - said he had paid criminals to get across the Channel (right) after borrowing the cash from friends and family. Artan, who describes himself as an 'economic migrant', described the journey (lower inset) as 'torture' and 'incredibly scary'. Ah didums, do I care? Serves him right. At least he is honest and owns up to being an 'economic migrant' and not claiming asylum due to 'persecution' for religious/racial/lifestyle matters. They should learn that to be an 'economic migrant' you have to follow the rules, apply in your country (at UK Embassy?) and follow the decisions - and you may well not win, but it won't cost you £3,500 or be 'incredibly scary', though I admit having to deal with our Civil Service may prove 'tedious'. Edited November 21, 2022 by JohnfromUK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Hello, did I hear this right, Braverlady quote of the day, we have failed to control our border, yes I agree 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, did I hear this right, Braverlady quote of the day, we have failed to control our border, yes I agree 👍 There stating the obvious, but that's taking it to another level 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 13 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, did I hear this right, Braverlady quote of the day, we have failed to control our border, yes I agree 👍 Borders...was that not a Brexit promise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 1 hour ago, henry d said: Borders...was that not a Brexit promise? And your point being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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