Channel Migrants

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

 our share of either is many times more than we have currently. 

Why do you feel we have a "share". I'm all for helping others but we're under no obligation to accept anyone into this country, or at least we shouldn't, although admittedly, that's not what's happening at the moment. 

[Gordon R]

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We need a far better program of support and integration rather than the present no plan no preparation approach we have now. 

I don't want an integration program, I just don't want more criminals in the UK. The ones that are arriving are hardly model applicants for residency. The prison population has a disproportionate percentage of illegals. I don't want the UK to become another Sweden.

I see little evidence that those who cross the Channel are enhancing the country, abiding by our laws or making any attempt to integrate.

To those who suggest the French are not transporting illegals to the coast, are you suggesting that the French are doing anything whatsoever to stop them coming to the UK. I would be interested in a detailed breakdown, from a "reliable" source.

Edited February 10, 2023 by Gordon R

[oowee]

4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Why do you feel we have a "share". I'm all for helping others but we're under no obligation to accept anyone into this country, or at least we shouldn't, although admittedly, that's not what's happening at the moment. 

I figure it's inevitable. The numbers are likley to increase exponentially. I guess as wealth in europe increases relative to UK that will help. Putin may have a big influence if we get a few nukes lobbed about otherwise it's probably inevitable. 

[johnphilip]

4 hours ago, henry d said:

Or we could breed big ferrets and chase them out... 😵‍💫

We had controls before but plenty get through, but they disappear off into the black economy. 

We did not have control  if people  got through. Does  not matter what route  they take  they are all heading  to the black economy  . They have not  crossed  the channel to work in tesco . 

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, old'un said:

be interesting to see what this country looks like in 2050 with all these well integrated people shoulder to shoulder

 

4 hours ago, henry d said:

We had controls before but plenty get through, but they disappear off into the black economy. 

But , why would they ned to disappear into the black economy , all these highly skilled doctors and engineers from the 3rd world , that are going to be paying for our pensions wouldnt need to do that ?
There must be some mistake , all those young men , bravely sailing across the Channel , looking for work , they could at least do some manual labour, picking fruit ect....

So how come they dont ?

[old'un]

10 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

that's funny, but also frightening, you are joking of course as that could never happen here, could it??

[henry d]

17 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

They have not  crossed  the channel to work in tesco . 

My cousin and her family did, admittedly not Tesco but they contributed very handsomely once he got back into heading up further education and she in health care. 

[old man]

2 hours ago, old'un said:

I think we should flood the country with these migrants and when its at braking point, let more in.

Worry not old bean. Seemingly there must be a point that happens?

[johnphilip]

8 minutes ago, henry d said:

My cousin and her family did, admittedly not Tesco but they contributed very handsomely once he got back into heading up further education and she in health care. 

Did they come across in a rubber inflatable  ?? 

[Rewulf]

14 minutes ago, old'un said:

that's funny, but also frightening, you are joking of course as that could never happen here, could it??

27 years to 2050 .
London will be the prime candidate to become utterly lawless first , its not far off now.

[12gauge82]

48 minutes ago, henry d said:

My cousin and her family did, admittedly not Tesco but they contributed very handsomely once he got back into heading up further education and she in health care. 

Phew that explains it!

I was worried for a moment we have millions of economic migrants pouring in, I'm glad you've accounted for them all. 🙈

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

I figure it's inevitable. The numbers are likley to increase exponentially. I guess as wealth in europe increases relative to UK that will help. Putin may have a big influence if we get a few nukes lobbed about otherwise it's probably inevitable. 

Its inevitable if we carry on as we are. But not if we chuck them straight back on a boat and forcibly relocate them from where they came, a French beach. 

Sure the EU will call us barbaric and the French will accuse us of Human Rights abuses. But its nonsense, allowing unvetted economic migrants flood this country is an abuse of our own peoples rights and freedoms, exposing them to risk from terrorism and a degradation of public services and their way of life and is also very unsafe for the migrants themselves, allowing traffickers to profit from their suffering, exposing children and women (sorry people with a vagian) to risk of exploitation and sex trafficking and men (sorry people with a penis) to slavery. 

Which all leads back to the best, safe and most efficient way of dealing with it is to immediately return them all to France. 

[mossy835]

how did it get this far, should have been stopped years ago.

[oowee]

23 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Its inevitable if we carry on as we are. But not if we chuck them straight back on a boat and forcibly relocate them from where they came, a French beach. 

Sure the EU will call us barbaric and the French will accuse us of Human Rights abuses. But its nonsense, allowing unvetted economic migrants flood this country is an abuse of our own peoples rights and freedoms, exposing them to risk from terrorism and a degradation of public services and their way of life and is also very unsafe for the migrants themselves, allowing traffickers to profit from their suffering, exposing children and women (sorry people with a vagian) to risk of exploitation and sex trafficking and men (sorry people with a penis) to slavery. 

Which all leads back to the best, safe and most efficient way of dealing with it is to immediately return them all to France. 

We know this does not work. We may not accept it and will no doubt come up with ever more flamboyant distractions.  New deals with the French, more exotic transfer locations, higher fences, drones, whatever. 

When all these options are exhausted we will find the answer by providing a safe legal route. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Your "safe, legal" route should take them all home!

[henry d]

2 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Did they come across in a rubber inflatable  ?? 

No, can't say how but it wasn't a regular entry into the UK as her mother, my aunt, was the only one who had a UK passport but didn't have permission to leave Iraq as she didn't appear on official Iraqi records as she was a "visitor" who had unofficially over stayed. They got into Syria by lying and appealing to border guards sympathy. After getting into Syria a member of the family went to work somewhere else until she, my cousin, got into the uk and settled. Eventually my cousin and some of the family got to the UK and the funny part of her story was that at one stage a civil servant said it would have been easier if she was a an illegal immigrant as she had no papers to prove who she is and that her British passport owning mother couldn't vouch for her as she shouldn't have left Iraq even though she had overstayed her visa for Iraq. She also had difficulty in proving the large amount of money (@$20K when they left Mosul) was from selling land they owned near a Yazidi village outside of Mosul.

Nothing is cut and dried. (Full disclosure, there is some information in the above that isn't strictly correct so that they can't be positively identified, nor the person who helped them leave Iraq)

Edited February 10, 2023 by henry d

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

We know this does not work. We may not accept it and will no doubt come up with ever more flamboyant distractions.  New deals with the French, more exotic transfer locations, higher fences, drones, whatever. 

When all these options are exhausted we will find the answer by providing a safe legal route. 

Do we? 

It absolutely worked for Australia, why would it not work here? 

All we're lacking is the political will, certainly not the will of the vast majority of the UK population. 

[Yellow Bear]

You will have a hard time stopping the " Left" importing its voters to gain power since it abandoned its core voters. 

[oowee]

32 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Do we? 

It absolutely worked for Australia, why would it not work here? 

All we're lacking is the political will, certainly not the will of the vast majority of the UK population. 

Your last para is the answer. There is no political will. There us also a big difference between the issue in UK and that in AU. 

 https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/could-australia-stop-the-boats-policy-solve-europe-migrant-crisis

[12gauge82]

41 minutes ago, oowee said:

Your last para is the answer. There is no political will. There us also a big difference between the issue in UK and that in AU. 

 https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/could-australia-stop-the-boats-policy-solve-europe-migrant-crisis

The solution would work. It's our politicians that don't. 

[old man]

Trying not to be a total aged ***?  Just a genuine enquiry to clear the fog.

Could someone please explain why we have to fetch them in? Put them up in hotels etc? Give them money etc?

Is there a legal requirement to do so or are we just being jolly old things governed by idiots?

[Dave-G]

18 minutes ago, old man said:

Trying not to be a total aged ***?  Just a genuine enquiry to clear the fog.

Could someone please explain why we have to fetch them in? Put them up in hotels etc? Give them money etc?

Is there a legal requirement to do so or are we just being jolly old things governed by idiots?

EU trying to make Brexit a failure, and our lefty orgs working against the government to bring them down for Labour about covers it.

[oowee]

 

6 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

EU trying to make Brexit a failure, and our lefty orgs working against the government to bring them down for Labour about covers it.

 

The EU don't have to bother that will happen all on its own. Just driven from Poland to SK the growing affluence is noticeable, we are being left behind. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vince Green]

20 hours ago, Rewulf said:

There must be some mistake , all those young men , bravely sailing across the Channel , looking for work , they could at least do some manual labour, picking fruit ect....

So how come they dont ?

How many pizzas do we need delivered? 

[johnphilip]

5 minutes ago, oowee said:

 

6 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

EU trying to make Brexit a failure, and our lefty orgs working against the government to bring them down for Labour about covers it.

 

The EU don't have to bother that will happen all on its own. Just driven from Poland to SK the growing affluence is noticeable, we are being left behind. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This country  can't  be doing to bad  if  you can do as you have  just  said  , you call this  country  , yet you still remain here. There has to be a reason for that .