TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, London Best said: If you are feeling under gunned, it is normally because you are missing. True sage like advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 my mate always used a side x side cylinder both barrels........he used a 32gram #6 Express cartridge...the cartridges he used were express but were very smooth the use....i always wondered at the distances he used to bring down game....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, ditchman said: my mate always used a side x side cylinder both barrels........he used a 32gram #6 Express cartridge...the cartridges he used were express but were very smooth the use....i always wondered at the distances he used to bring down game....... If they're in the pattern they die and that only comes with experience. Most people these days want immediate gratification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, London Best said: If you are feeling under gunned, it is normally because you are missing. Or worse, wounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, Centrepin said: If they're in the pattern they die Most people these days want immediate gratification Or pages and pages of theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, London Best said: Or pages and pages of theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, London Best said: If you are feeling under gunned, it is normally because you are missing. ……or because you’re under gunned. Especially at 50 yards and beyond….with nearly cylinder. I know we are trying to be supportive to the OP etc. and that’s great, but I think a good old dose of factual honesty is kinder. If you chatted to regular guns on a true high pheasant shoot and asked them what chokes they’re using - most would be 3/4 at least. Personally I find it works superbly. A word of caution though, It’s horrible for average birds as there is usually a dense ‘core’ at normal ranges. This opens out at ranges the choke is meant for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 Shotguns are not meant for shooting at 50 yards and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just now, London Best said: Shotguns are not meant for shooting at 50 yards and beyond. That’s the sort of range the OP is asking about….?! Admittedly shotguns were never meant to do this originally. However they certainly do these days with modern barrels/chokes/cart’s. Mine does (when I point it in the right place?!) and the other 7 guns who I shot high bids with earlier in the week managed OK. In fact my friend, with his 20 bore took one of the highest (and fastest) cock birds I have ever seen. 50 - 60 yards is fine. I wouldn’t want to shoot at higher birds than that however. In my own experiments, I can get a feasible pattern at 60 yds - but only just. Step back to 70 yds and it’s almost as though the pattern plate has been missed altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, London Best said: Or pages and pages of theory. Which is only ever good enough to put you in the ballpark if you're lucky and which then leaves it up to the individual to adjust to his/her own needs as applicable which as already pointed out is probably not going to happen as currently folk want it and want it now. Fortunately, in our case - and accepting that there has been some glaring errors spotted with the advantage of hindsight or improvements in technology - most of the pages reflect empirical studies- tried and tested before appearing in print and can be pretty much relied upon - after all, a pheasant is still just a pheasant, as is a lead No 6 shot, as pretty much is a shotgun barrel albeit with some minor improvements giving a couple of feet of additional range at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, wymberley said: giving a couple of feet of additional range at best. And that, Sir, properly sums up the ‘modern improvements’ which some dreamers think gives a shotgun another 20 yards range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, London Best said: And that, Sir, properly sums up the ‘modern improvements’ which some dreamers think gives a shotgun another 20 yards range. An extra 20 yards range beyond what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 P.S ‘Modern improvements’ gave us hardened shot, advanced propellants, and choke technology. An extra 20 yards of feasibility - beyond an unchoked ounce load of soft lead - is very achievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeper96 Posted October 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 I’ve spoken to the organiser today and it seems the majority of birds are around 40-45 yards, from what’s been said on here and a discussion with others IC is not ideal but provided I do my part right should pose no serious issues. I do have another gun with tighter chokes, that I do shoot well, but just don’t enjoy shooting as much, which I’ll take along just in case I do struggle after the first drive or 2 thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 minute ago, keeper96 said: I’ve spoken to the organiser today and it seems the majority of birds are around 40-45 yards, from what’s been said on here and a discussion with others IC is not ideal but provided I do my part right should pose no serious issues. I do have another gun with tighter chokes, that I do shoot well, but just don’t enjoy shooting as much, which I’ll take along just in case I do struggle after the first drive or 2 thanks all A very sensible plan. Enjoy your day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, keeper96 said: I’ve spoken to the organiser today and it seems the majority of birds are around 40-45 yards, from what’s been said on here and a discussion with others IC is not ideal but provided I do my part right should pose no serious issues. I do have another gun with tighter chokes, that I do shoot well, but just don’t enjoy shooting as much, which I’ll take along just in case I do struggle after the first drive or 2 thanks all You might just find that this is where the second gun comes into its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 44 minutes ago, keeper96 said: I’ve spoken to the organiser today and it seems the majority of birds are around 40-45 yards, from what’s been said on here and a discussion with others IC is not ideal but provided I do my part right should pose no serious issues. I do have another gun with tighter chokes, that I do shoot well, but just don’t enjoy shooting as much, which I’ll take along just in case I do struggle after the first drive or 2 thanks all Good stuff - have a great day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungle The Bear Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 Stick with your normal set up - you’ll do just fine - I soot 28g 6s out of my SXS at all the shoots I attend, granted I don’t do the crazy high stuff that’s in fashion from certain you tube channels, if they’re 40 yard birds you will be in the thick of it no problem, take your normal cartridges and normal choke set up to a pattern plate - I bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised, don’t be tempted to stuff heavy shells though your SXS, don’t get sucked in by the tight choke heavy cartridges hype 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 hours ago, keeper96 said: I’ve spoken to the organiser today and it seems the majority of birds are around 40-45 yards, from what’s been said on here and a discussion with others IC is not ideal but provided I do my part right should pose no serious issues. I do have another gun with tighter chokes, that I do shoot well, but just don’t enjoy shooting as much, which I’ll take along just in case I do struggle after the first drive or 2 thanks all Have a great day👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 On 29/10/2021 at 12:21, keeper96 said: I’d love to tell but the lad organising it keeps things close to his chest, sorry mate! I’m certainly looking forward to it though! I’ve never been before, it was described as good with some higher birds and knowing the bloke his “good”is anything around 40yrds definitely not talking Whitfield standards though Fair enough I will never know if I am picking up behind you unless I look for the bloke shooting at only moderate birds😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 20 hours ago, wymberley said: Or worse, wounding. Could you please tell me how you can tell if you have wounded a bird im pretty sure I can tell if I’ve hit it and killed it also fairly confident on a leg down or broken wing it’s just the one pellet hit that I can’t tell obviously it’s wounded how do I tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 12 hours ago, Bungle The Bear said: Stick with your normal set up - you’ll do just fine - I soot 28g 6s out of my SXS at all the shoots I attend, granted I don’t do the crazy high stuff that’s in fashion from certain you tube channels, if they’re 40 yard birds you will be in the thick of it no problem, take your normal cartridges and normal choke set up to a pattern plate - I bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised, don’t be tempted to stuff heavy shells though your SXS, don’t get sucked in by the tight choke heavy cartridges hype 👍 Exactly, could not have put it better myself. I have no problem with shooting at 40-45yrd birds with my 410 it is down to me not what I have in my hand. Whatever have a great day and don't get all tied up about it, just relax and have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, Old farrier said: it’s just the one pellet hit that I can’t tell obviously it’s wounded how do I tell You often can't. If the pellet hits breast muscle it will often cause a flinch but if it goes through any other tissue which doesn't cause a flinch, knock feathers out etc it is often impossible to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 Plastic or Fibre wad ?? Shoot a few patterns with your preferred options beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 minute ago, harkom said: Plastic or Fibre wad ?? Shoot a few patterns with your preferred options beforehand. Fibre I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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