Old farrier Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) Bit of technical information got a lad shooting and we are talking about leading the targets he’s a fair shot with his gun however on a right to left cross ha says he requires no lead almost shooting behind it but a left to right crosser this is exactly the same target we moved to the other side of the trap and I measured the distance he says he’s giving it massive amounts of lead so is it eye dominance problem or gun fit over to you I’ll be interested in your thoughts many thanks OF sorry gun is a 725 browning 32 inch barrels Edited January 9, 2022 by Old farrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) Is he right or left handed? Are both birds travelling at the same speed? If he’s killing both birds is there actually a problem? Edited January 9, 2022 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Could be either but I would think most likely eye dominance. I had the same thing with an American lady I was loading for over two days. She was hitting RL crossers but behind everything LR. She also shot to the left of straight on birds. I checked and she was left eyed, (RH shot). When I told her to try closing her left eye she said,”Mah coach says I should keep both eyes open.” Eventually she tried my suggestion and was amazed. I would not have liked to be her coach when she got back to Georgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 As LB says I reckon it may well be an EYE DOMINANCE problem. Which could be highlighted by the disparity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) It's unusual for a male to be left eye dominant. It's more usual in females. Most males are right eye dominant. So if not that then what? I'd suspect it's more likely the gun is too long in the stock for him so he is mounting it not fully in his shoulder but with the butt end slightly to the right of where it should be. That will be the gun will be shooting more left that it should be. So on a right to left crosser he'll have an inbuilt lead because of that. And on a left to right he'll need masses of lead as the gun will naturally be shooting behind it. The test is to shoot at a straight going away bird (with him directly behind the trap say ten yards or so behind so the pattern is still tight) and see if he gets most breaks on the left edge of the bird or the right edge. That'll be noticeable either by seeing where the shot off bits come from or where the clay is pushed to as it'll be away from the side that takes the impact of the shot. On a double trigger gun you could effectively make the stock shorter by having him fire only single shots using the back trigger. On a single trigger gun with an adult's stock length I don't know what to advise. Edited January 9, 2022 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 if they wear shooting glasses ....try covering one side with selotape............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Hello, just to clarify is that the 725 sporter ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Take him to a proper coach with a lot of experience - and hardly any available slots….!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 And get him to shoot RED cartridges, that would help too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 It's got to be cross dominance if he's right handed. It is more common with women but plenty of men are cross dominant too. The usual approach is to close the left eye or use something like tape or a dot on the glasses. There are also gadgets to fit on the gun too but longer term it is possible to train the eyes to overcome the problem and shoot with both eyes open but it needs a lot of commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Could be a matter of degree. If it's as severe as described then the old pointy finger test will possibly reveal the dominant eye (unless there's a low comb problem, but we have to start somewhere). Do, though, need to define 'lad'. Folk can find it more difficult to swing a gun one way more than the other. Do we have an early 'teens lightly built lad trying to accelerate an American canon and is having difficulty in doing so in the one direction which requires more apparent effort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Is the mount such that he is looking straight down the rib. I had a similar problem and it was found that I was looking "diagonally" down the rib when I mounted "eyes shut" and needed more cast off to rectify. Is the lad wide shouldered? If so this would explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Eye dominance most likely culprit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 4 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, just to clarify is that the 725 sporter ? 727game anyway thanks for the help advice and input from you all we fixed the problem today obviously new gun needed he’s right handed but his gun was left handed anyway problem solved many thanks of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Possibly gun control .A right hander shooting left to right crosser will push the gun into the shoulder as he swings . Right to left it is frequent that the gun subconsciously is pulled by the fore hand away from the mount anchor point so actually increases lead without realising it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Old farrier said: 727game anyway thanks for the help advice and input from you all we fixed the problem today obviously new gun needed he’s right handed but his gun was left handed anyway problem solved many thanks of Ah. One of cast then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, Scully said: Ah. One of cast then ? It’s appeared so he had learned to shoot with it the problem only came to light when it was in being serviced and he used a borrowed gun and tried to shoot it the same way anyway he’s done ok today many times again for the input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: 727game anyway thanks for the help advice and input from you all we fixed the problem today obviously new gun needed he’s right handed but his gun was left handed anyway problem solved many thanks of Hello, Well done 👍 , what about a right handed stock ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 45 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Well done 👍 , what about a right handed stock ? He’ll probably just trade it up for a right handed one it’ll work out less money than buying a stock 2 hours ago, Gunman said: Possibly gun control .A right hander shooting left to right crosser will push the gun into the shoulder as he swings . Right to left it is frequent that the gun subconsciously is pulled by the fore hand away from the mount anchor point so actually increases lead without realising it Thank you gunman a very good thought 😊👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) You say he is a young chap so should be flexible. Is he of normal build, fat (am I allowed to say that these days?) ? I ask because the physical build of a person can often inflience how they swing through. I'm right handed and funnily enough I shoot bettwer on birds to my right where you would think I might tie up a bit, than I do on left handers where I tend to miss behind. I have shot for the last 70yrs with both eyes open and previous to about 10 years ago never had a problem either side and I have not changed my build or weight for twenty years 6ft 15st BUT my old muscles do not move as smoothly as they did bak then. This may also link with Gunman's suggestion. I add on edit....If it ain't broke then don't mend it. If he is hitting them consistently both sides then carry on. Edited January 9, 2022 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Glad you’ve got to the bottom of it. I new a left hooker who became a very good shot using a right handed gun. In fact when he became a sponsored clay competitor and acquired an expensive gun, he stuck with a right hander as his brain / reactions etc. were hard wired to that format. As said above, if it works…? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fellside said: Glad you’ve got to the bottom of it. I new a left hooker who became a very good shot using a right handed gun. In fact when he became a sponsored clay competitor and acquired an expensive gun, he stuck with a right hander as his brain / reactions etc. were hard wired to that format. As said above, if it works…? He’s young enough to get better with a better fitting gun we shall see how he gets on thanks for your interest 😊👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: He’s young enough to get better with a better fitting gun we shall see how he gets on thanks for your interest 😊👍 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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