Sellior and bellot

[3800lloyd]

Is there any sellior and bellot shot shell dealers in the uk thanks

[marsh man]

1 hour ago, 3800lloyd said:

Is there any sellior and bellot shot shell dealers in the uk thanks

Not sure if they still produce cartridges , haven't seen any adverts for S + B cartridges for years , like many others on the forum I have used a few 1000 when they first flooded the market as they were a decent low budget shell , on par with the Russian ones and sold in flat boxes of ten for around £40 a 1000 , yes £40 .

[Vince Green]

Black Lion Cartridges in Wales used to sell them but I think they stopped importing them in the lockdown

Sellier and Bellot used to be imported by Edgar Bros if I remember correctly but the trouble with importing cartridges these days is they are very heavy and bulky so the shipping cost makes it unprofitable.

[London Best]

Dunno why, but S&B were the ONLY cartridges I have ever used that I could never hit anything with.

[TOPGUN749]

I remember them well,a flat pack of 10 paper case 32 grams for 40p 50 years ago. I still have a few of them.They also sold a green plastic case cartridge called “Plastik”. I haven’t seen any for sale for many years!

[enfieldspares]

Aha! It's all pre fall of the Warsaw Pact you see. And the fault of Brexit. Not quite...but....

Once upon a time S & B and BRNO and etc., etc., were inside a country that was a member of the Soviet sphere of influence. So these products were earners of "hard" currency. With the fall of the Soviet regime AND the entry of the Czech Republic and Slovakia into the European Union times have changed. So there's no longer this ability to make product cheap in state owned or controlled low wage factories to sell for sterling or dollars.

So like everything else the product has to actually make a profit and not be simply be sold almost "at cost price" as a vehicle for Western hard currency. So I suspect that either the cartridges are now too expensive to import into the UK and sell at a realistic price or that the UK market is now far far less important (espcially post Brexit) than selling to Germany or France which also doesn't need post-Brexit paperwork nor to cross the English Channel.

Simply put it is no longer worth bothering with the UK as a possible marketplace?

[Vince Green]

Sellier and Bellot is one of the biggest ammo makers in the world, huge in fact. They make a lot of ammo and components for other brands.

You see a lot of it in America, and PPU

[enfieldspares]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sellier_%26_Bellot

[Steel100]

Westlander bring in a very large range of S & B products.

 

Andy

[3800lloyd]

Used them years ago plastic and fibre for clays they were superb ; I have seen the odd empty box on various clay shoots but can’t seem to find any dealers

[Vince Green]

CBC of Brazil (Magtech) bought Sellier and Bellot about eight years ago and are now using themt to produce ammo for the American market by undercutting the traditional American makers labour costs. Its a dirty business 

[TOPGUN749]

I got a box of them among hundreds of others I bought in an auction this year, paper case,all shot perfectly though cases a little swollen,a dirty cartridge but did the job on clays!

[Sweet11-87]

in france you can get solognac cartridges from the big chain for 5 euros a box for 32g of 5s    works out after conversion at about £170 a thousand  so im still not buying the whole  price fo raw materials stuff were getting pulled to bits becasue the whole UK market is a racket.

gamebore  supply all the kent cartridges that use dimondshot from the shotdrop tower in the UK that are cheaper in the US than here.  so if raw materials are so expensive and hard to come by how are they managing to get enough of it, processing it and shipping a heavy metal across the atlantic to supply the whole of the US but were getting hit with price hikes of nearly 50% in 2 years?

i can still remember when eley olympic blues made in the uk were like 210 a thousand where as rio were making the same cartridge in spain and shipping it here and it was about 180 a tonne

 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2022 by Sweet11-87

[cervusman]

I have 5 boxes of 10 S&B with BB shot, that I given with a load of old cartridges 

[Jaymo]

Still have a few SG in paper cases from the mid 80’s

[rding]

Black lion cartridges near Halifax stock them.

[Lever357]

The importers are Westlander and when my RFD looked, the prices weren't any cheaper than more readily available brands

[THEINVISIBLESCARECROW]

As previously mentioned Westlander import them.  I recently bought some 22lr rounds from an RFD near Whitchurch in Shropshire & I looked for cartridge stockists on the Westlander website. Gave the local stockist a call only to find prices were about the same as other makes.

 

[grahamch]

they produce a range of non lead centre fire ammunition which is very good according to reviews

[Charlie Anderson]

Simply firearms/ simply ammo have steel in stock at £8 per box on their website 

[Madmacs]

Could try Wilson & Wilson they stock S&B brass and bullet heads.

[Walker570]

They where great at a wedding because of the shower of confetti which came out when fired.  I did shoot a fair few back when they first came on the market and a fair few pigeons did not like them.  Have not seen them used or advertised for many moons.

[Gordon R]

I shot a couple of thousand 8s in the 1980s. I rated them.

[Ratlegs]

Still making them somewhere

[mowdy]

6 hours ago, Ratlegs said:

Still making them somewhere

I have often userd S&B sport 1oz slugs for boar and target shotgun . They work very well and are light on the shoulder compared to some others .