PeterHenry Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Interesting article re time scales in the Shooting Times today. https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/lead-shot-could-be-banned-in-the-autumn-of-this-year-144258 That said, I went decoying on Saturday using 30g '5' steel cartridges in a rather basic Spanish side by side and my shooting was no better or worse than it usually was. Ratio was sitting happily under 3 shots per bird, until the sun moved / lack of clouds bought it up to 3 shots per bird by the end of the day. Combined with a good breeze and not 'picking my shots', I reckon we don't really have too much to fear from this, shotgun wise. Edited June 19, 2023 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Hello, I've enough lead carts to last my shooting days out and I will not worry on ban 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 If guns don't / won't have any s/h value what does it matter if you stuff steel through them. Keep shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 I'm going to stock up on the 36bore, as for 12bore, i used a few no5 32g steel on the crows and they worked. Pity tho as the 7.5 and 9s worked just fine for half the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Won't happen nobody to police it, how will all the lead be replaced by steel at such short notice. There will be a fairly long transition period for manufactures to have enough stock to replace lead or they all go bankrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, 8 shot said: Won't happen nobody to police it, how will all the lead be replaced by steel at such short notice. There will be a fairly long transition period for manufactures to have enough stock to replace lead or they all go bankrupt. Not so sure about the first point. Have you noticed that when there's a 'bit of a do' the number of plods coming out of the woodwork is unreal - where do they keep them? Agree entirely with the second and third and think that perhaps the gun trade's 5 years may be insufficient unless the UK Government is happy to pay compensation for international contracts which the UK companies can't honour. 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I've enough lead carts to last my shooting days out and I will not worry on ban 👍 Happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, PeterHenry said: Interesting article re time scales in the Shooting Times today. https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/lead-shot-could-be-banned-in-the-autumn-of-this-year-144258 That said, I went decoying on Saturday using 30g '5' steel cartridges in a rather basic Spanish side by side and my shooting was no better or worse than it usually was. Ratio was sitting happily under 3 shots per bird, until the sun moved / lack of clouds bought it up to 3 shots per bird by the end of the day. Combined with a good breeze and not 'picking my shots', I reckon we don't really have too much to fear from this, shotgun wise. I agree. I have used Eley Grand Prix steel eco in a thin walled English sidelock to no ill effect. They kill when I get my bit right. To be honest if they ban lead I will deal with it one way or another. I am certainly losing no sleep over it whatever the timescale! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 As I am still allowed to use lead on everything except wildfowl then I will continue as per normal , I have been using steel on wildfowl for a number of years now and I no longer think about what is in the chamber when I pull the trigger , if I had to change overnight and I got paid for the amount of lead cartridges I have lying about then like the above post I certainly won't be losing any sleep about the changeover . MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted June 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said: I agree. I have used Eley Grand Prix steel eco in a thin walled English sidelock to no ill effect. They kill when I get my bit right. To be honest if they ban lead I will deal with it one way or another. I am certainly losing no sleep over it whatever the timescale! 👍 I'm cautious by nature (and have some unresolved marks in the barrels of my AYA's) so that's why I'm putting them through a very cheap Spanish gun this summer to see if any damage occurs in that. However, I fired 61 cartridges on Saturday (so not a big day) but the recoil was no worse that your average 2 1/2" 30g '6'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 As long as a affordable replacement is available for all caliber of guns im sure it can’t have been thought through and i cant see the manufacturer getting enough non lead ammunition available in the timeframe im assuming its centre fire rifle and air rifle and rimfire as well as shotgun ammunition that will be banned a massive amount of reinvestment by the manufacturers will be required we shall see what happens 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Shooting Times is full of doom and gloom which is why l stopped wasting money on it years ago Edited June 20, 2023 by grahamch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, grahamch said: Shooting Times is full of doom and gloom which is why l stoppedwaatinf money on it years ago And now most of the doom and gloom is on PW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Shooting Times have been filling their columns with shall we say ‘sub-grade’ articles for years now. I too don’t bother with it. I have heard from one source that we are likely to have seven years of lead use - i.e a five year period from 2025. However, if you factor in the dark art of politics anything is possible. Who’s crystal ball is the clearest? Probably not that which is used by the Shooting Times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 56 minutes ago, grahamch said: Shooting Times is full of doom and gloom which is why l stoppedwaatinf money on it years ago And a once editor slagged off driven shooting and lost a lot of support £3.25 now- expensive 5 min read then recycling bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted June 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) I'll go against the grain and say I tend to enjoy it when I pick up a copy. From some of the comments here, I'd have guessed you were all talking about 'Sporting Gun'... Edited June 19, 2023 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) when I was a kid at school I used to wait every week for Thursday to come round and mum was dispatched to get a copy of the shooting times when she went shopping. Then the articles changed from practical things to a load of rubbish fairy stories. A bit like when Jack Hargreaves changed from pigeon shooting to weaving baskets or driving a pony and trap.! It just ain't the same thing. Edited June 19, 2023 by Minky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 11 hours ago, PeterHenry said: 👍 I'm cautious by nature (and have some unresolved marks in the barrels of my AYA's) so that's why I'm putting them through a very cheap Spanish gun this summer to see if any damage occurs in that. However, I fired 61 cartridges on Saturday (so not a big day) but the recoil was no worse that your average 2 1/2" 30g '6'. Nothing wrong with being cautious. I think we are all on a learning curve. I have a slight advantage having used big steel shot in tight chokes in my wildfowling guns without any issues. That said I have still not put steel through my Dickson despite good barrels and light chokes. 9 hours ago, Fellside said: Shooting Times have been filling their columns with shall we say ‘sub-grade’ articles for years now. I too don’t bother with it. I have heard from one source that we are likely to have seven years of lead use - i.e a five year period from 2025. However, if you factor in the dark art of politics anything is possible. Who’s crystal ball is the clearest? Probably not that which is used by the Shooting Times. I haven’t read ST for years. Decades ago I would just renew my subscription but then it seemed almost identical articles at the same time each year. It was at its best when the likes of Willock were writing but as I have not read it recently perhaps I should do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 10 hours ago, PeterHenry said: I'll go against the grain and say I tend to enjoy it when I pick up a copy. From some of the comments here, I'd have guessed you were all talking about 'Sporting Gun'... I think ‘Sporting Gun’ is a really poor magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) I dare say at the time when I , or we bought the Shooting Times in the early 60s we were on the same wave length with the people who wrote on a weekly basis , the likes of Pat Cringle , Alan Savory , Colin Willock and not forgetting John Humphries . Life was at a compleatly different pace them and at a young tender age all your life consisted of was earning a few bob and shooting , a bit later on in life the opposite sex came on the scene but the S Ts was still eagerly looked forward to each week , then over the years one by one the long standing writer's passed away and with a lot of the new ones I couldn't find the same connection , so slowly but surely the S Ts became less and less of interest , it also didn't help that every year or so they got a new editor , young boys , girls who all said they went beating or shooting with there dad's , uncles and grandad's , for the last few years when my mother was alive she used to buy it for me each week mainly for me call round each Friday night when I left off work , when sadly she passed away I didn't bother to renew the subsciption and nowadays I have a quick look at it when I pop in into Tesco's , it hold my attention for less than five minutes , add the roughly £12 a month and I can safely say I can never see me ever getting enough interest to start buying it again . MM Edited June 20, 2023 by marsh man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 The shooting times story, shooting for a perfect 10 February 2021, included a carrion crow and a jay .when asked why the carrion crow and jay were shot the answer was they were frozen birds used for the story and not shot on the day. If lead shot is banned why would we need it to be policed. It doesn’t matter how many lead cartridges anyone has collected if it’s illegal to use them they are just collected items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I've enough lead carts to last my shooting days out and I will not worry on ban 👍 https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/44653/documents/1238 1 Restriction of lead ammunition (1) Any person who possesses, uses or places on the market lead ammunition for the purpose of shooting animals is guilty of an offence. (2) 5 Any person who possesses, uses or places on the market lead ammunition for the purpose of target shooting is guilty of an offence. It includes simple ownership also. You can follow the progress of the bill if you wish:https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3096 You could be liable for a level 4 fine (up to £2,500). You can thank Lord Browne of Ladyton for raising the proposal/bill. Edited June 20, 2023 by HantsRob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, HantsRob said: https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/44653/documents/1238 1 Restriction of lead ammunition (1) Any person who possesses, uses or places on the market lead ammunition for the purpose of shooting animals is guilty of an offence. (2) 5 Any person who possesses, uses or places on the market lead ammunition for the purpose of target shooting is guilty of an offence. It includes simple ownership also. You can follow the progress of the bill if you wish:https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3096 You could be liable for a level 4 fine (up to £2,500). You can thank Lord Browne of Ladyton for raising the proposal/bill. Hello, I wonder how many shooters in UK will worry about this 🤔 Edited June 20, 2023 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted June 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, HantsRob said: https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/44653/documents/1238 1 Restriction of lead ammunition (1) Any person who possesses, uses or places on the market lead ammunition for the purpose of shooting animals is guilty of an offence. (2) 5 Any person who possesses, uses or places on the market lead ammunition for the purpose of target shooting is guilty of an offence. It includes simple ownership also. You can follow the progress of the bill if you wish:https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3096 You could be liable for a level 4 fine (up to £2,500). You can thank Lord Browne of Ladyton for raising the proposal/bill. 5 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I wonder how many shooters in UK will worry about this 🤔 I have a feeling that this isn't the bill in question. If my memory is correct, HantsRobs link is in relation to a private members bill introduced in the Lords that was batted away. The actual bill has yet to be introduced to parliament, so we have nothing to go on but speculation. Edited June 20, 2023 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, HantsRob said: https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/44653/documents/1238 1 Restriction of lead ammunition (1) Any person who possesses, uses or places on the market lead ammunition for the purpose of shooting animals is guilty of an offence. (2) 5 Any person who possesses, uses or places on the market lead ammunition for the purpose of target shooting is guilty of an offence. It includes simple ownership also. You can follow the progress of the bill if you wish:https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3096 You could be liable for a level 4 fine (up to £2,500). You can thank Lord Browne of Ladyton for raising the proposal/bill. Is he a bit of socialist dross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I wonder how many shooters in UK will worry about this 🤔 I can count on one hand how many? 2 hours ago, PeterHenry said: I have a feeling that this isn't the bill in question. If my memory is correct, HantsRobs link is in relation to a private members bill introduced in the Lords that was batted away. The actual bill has yet to be introduced to parliament, so we have nothing to go on but speculation. That bill is the one referenced from the original article and needs to get through the house of Lords before going to parliament. I can't see it going through all the stages to get to parliament for Autumn though. If it's not the right one I'd be interested to see the current one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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