Covid. Natures way of dealing with old people. Who voted for Johnson?

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

None of them are up to the job. Proportional representation in other countries has just led to political infighting consuming all the available time and no running of the country getting done.

It works well in Germany. We currently have nothing getting done for the last 20 years. It's past it's sell by not fit for purpose. 

[Rewulf]

40 minutes ago, oowee said:

It works well in Germany. We currently have nothing getting done for the last 20 years. It's past it's sell by not fit for purpose. 

Does it ?

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/eurocrisispress/2021/09/28/fragmentation-germany/

[oowee]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Does it ?

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/eurocrisispress/2021/09/28/fragmentation-germany/

Yep thats good more consensus politics. 

You will have been to Germany. You can see the moment you step out of the airport (any airport) how far behind the UK has fallen. Take a cycle ride around Berlin. It's stunning. 

[amateur]

54 minutes ago, oowee said:

...........You will have been to Germany. You can see the moment you step out of the airport (any airport) how far behind the UK has fallen. Take a cycle ride around Berlin. It's stunning. 

You could make that comparison between the UK and Germany at any time from the late 60s onwards and has far less to do with the political structure in either country than the relative US post-war investment and the German attitude to work.

The German public sector also seems to function rather better than the UK one.

[oowee]

7 minutes ago, amateur said:

You could make that comparison between the UK and Germany at any time from the late 60s onwards and has far less to do with the political structure in either country than the relative US post-war investment and the German attitude to work.

The German public sector also seems to function rather better than the UK one.

Ask yourself why? 

[Yellow Bear]

6 minutes ago, amateur said:

The German public sector also seems to function rather better than the UK one.

You mean they do what they are paid for and asked without playing politics.

[amateur]

1 minute ago, Yellow Bear said:

You mean they do what they are paid for and asked without playing politics.

They certainly seemed to be able to follow instructions

[Gerry78]

4 hours ago, Scully said:

You’re right, it doesn’t matter what age she was, and yes, she’s still his Mother, as mine was to me, but we have to face realities and live in the real world. He was making it sound like she’d be out there living the life of Riley if not for Boris. She wouldn’t be; she was a frail old lady, and I’ve no doubt there was a bit of guilt on his behalf for shoving her into a home in the first place. 
Boris doesn’t have any blood on his hands; he was playing a guessing game with the aid of advisors in a situation which none of us knew the outcome. 
Care homes and their shareholders make an absolute fortune from the misfortune of others and children hellbent on farming out their responsibilities to complete strangers, and then they turn round and claim they were put upon with no support from government! 

Boris does have Blood on he’s hands as he knew as the pandemic spread that elderly people would suffer greatly stuck in care homes and did nothing about it And he Played a Guessing Game with peoples Lives Well done Boris Except he partied while the rest of us were stuck indoors and couldn’t see or visit our love ones You state children farming out there responsibilities to strangers I’m sure that families put there love ones in homes as a last resort Not out of being selfish it gets to a stage that people put love ones in care as they can’t cope no more with looking after them Elderly also don’t get care for free I know a lot of people that’s had to sell there parents homes to pay for there loved ones in Care I’m sure the Tories at the time didn’t have to sell there properties 

[Bigbob]

At the time of the pandemic i was still working as security in a well known university and there was still lots of students living there and as the uni had went to remote learning i asked why are you hear ?. There answer i want to live the student life ?> .How everything was shut all lesson where done by computer they wanted to stay in the student blocks to party and smoke weed we spent most of our nightshifts suited up bursting up parties of up to 30 students , they knew if they where going home parents wouldn't let them party or let there pals in to smoke weed . Then on the other hand we had student blocks who were rife with covid and the chaplaincy where coming up suiting up and giving them food parcels 3 times a day we where told NO TO ENTER THESE BLOCKS and notices where posted . Often you would see parent coming to pick up there sons, daughters and you would ask why they entered the block and i was told i am a nurse i am hear to pick up my daughter , I said you should have known not to enter the block you have no apron , mask or rubber gloves on i hope your not going home to anybody venerable . Then the ones that had already left the university said when the times right we will pack up all your stuff and courier it out to you One whole family went into a block for a set of dumbells ?.

You can blame Boris his advisor folk are stupid and would spread it anyway 

The students simply didn't care when caught Oh i've already had it 

I am young its just like a cold to us 

The didnt care we could of caught it from them and took it home to our family's 

[Dave-G]

7 hours ago, Gerry78 said:

I hate all politicians not just Boris and the Tories to me the general public they promise the world then do what they want when they get into power Maybe it’s us who are naive thinking any politician is gonna really deliver on what they promised that’s why I don’t vote here in N Ireland I’m not even gonna bother getting into a debate on this forum about the idiots we have here in NI 

You wrote: or who is the biggest idiots Boris or the people who voted for Him !!! 

So you presumably not being an idiot voted for who? or would have voted for who?

8 hours ago, oowee said:

? Where? 

Here in the UK - who do you think the electorate should have elected at that time rather than with the benefit of knowledge about events learned afterwards?

 

[Vince Green]

4 hours ago, oowee said:

It works well in Germany. We currently have nothing getting done for the last 20 years. It's past it's sell by not fit for purpose. 

Part of my mother's family come from Germany.  The political system is dire but the politicians don't run the country. The industrialists and the financial institutions do.

[button]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

I like the chap too. My point being not that he is Tory but that he is a complete buffoon, not fit for power. Whilst many saw through Corbyn for what he was those on the right were unable to make the same connection with BJ. He was simply a back stop choice, an alternative to what we definitely did not want in govt.

Unfortunately this is the way of govt here. We are unable to vote for what we want. We need a more representative (proportional) govt to make any progress. 

Like Scotland? Look what’s happened here with the Greens!

[Gerry78]

2 hours ago, Dave-G said:

You wrote: or who is the biggest idiots Boris or the people who voted for Him !!! 

So you presumably not being an idiot voted for who? or would have voted for who?

 

Dave I don’t vote at all as I don’t trust any politician that’s the truth 

Just now, Gerry78 said:

Dave I don’t vote at all as I don’t trust any politician that’s the truth 

My only other point is that Boris thought in my opinion that the elderly were expendable this is the same generation that fought Nazi tyranny 

[Penelope]

13 hours ago, amateur said:

They certainly seemed to be able to follow instructions

I voz only obeying orders!!!

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, i looked after my mum for 7 years but cannot see my sons doing that for me 🤔

Edited November 3, 2023 by oldypigeonpopper

[oldypigeonpopper]

Just now, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, i looked after my mum for 7 years but cannot see my sons doing that for me 🤔

but getting back to the original post i am sure many who voted Conservative regret it now , but what was the alternative at the general election, Corbyn and his band of ****** MPs

[Newbie to this]

18 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

but getting back to the original post i am sure many who voted Conservative regret it now , but what was the alternative at the general election, Corbyn and his band of ****** MPs

Indeed, but I for one, have had it with voting for the least worse of the two main parties, just to stop the other one from getting elected.

Both are a **** show, and are no good for the majority of the population.

We get what we deserve.

[oldypigeonpopper]

33 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, i looked after my mum for 7 years but cannot see my sons doing that for me 🤔

Will try to keep out of any old people homes as long as possible 🤔😀

[old man]

On 02/11/2023 at 14:22, Gerry78 said:

I hate all politicians not just Boris and the Tories to me the general public they promise the world then do what they want when they get into power Maybe it’s us who are naive thinking any politician is gonna really deliver on what they promised that’s why I don’t vote here in N Ireland I’m not even gonna bother getting into a debate on this forum about the idiots we have here in NI 

Sadly  that has become the reality, just a wasted vote?

[Dave-G]

On 03/11/2023 at 00:22, Gerry78 said:

Dave I don’t vote at all as I don’t trust any politician that’s the truth 

My only other point is that Boris thought in my opinion that the elderly were expendable this is the same generation that fought Nazi tyranny 

So you won't vote for a least worst option - but anyone who does is an idiot and you slate the winning candidate.

That's a good sign of hypocrisy to me.

[Gerry78]

3 hours ago, Dave-G said:

So you won't vote for a least worst option - but anyone who does is an idiot and you slate the winning candidate.

That's a good sign of hypocrisy to me.

So you vote for the least worse option for someone you don’t really want to vote for your reasons being that he/she is better than the other candidate Hypocrisy??? Slate the winner Boris absolutely 👍 if people couldn’t see he was a absolute Buffoon And went ahead and voted for him Well 🤷‍♂️

20 hours ago, old man said:

Sadly  that has become the reality, just a wasted vote?

Yep you’re wasting your votes anyway They don’t do nothing for the public 

[old man]

4 hours ago, Gerry78 said:

So you vote for the least worse option for someone you don’t really want to vote for your reasons being that he/she is better than the other candidate Hypocrisy??? Slate the winner Boris absolutely 👍 if people couldn’t see he was a absolute Buffoon And went ahead and voted for him Well 🤷‍♂️

Yep you’re wasting your votes anyway They don’t do nothing for the public 

Yep, seemingly the UK version of democracy?

[Acerforestry]

On 01/11/2023 at 16:00, Lloyd90 said:

Like global warming? 
 

Didn’t the CEO of BP recently say they commissioned multiple inquiries and they all said it was very much real and they have contributed significantly into the problem.

If you believe global warming, then by default you are most likely accepting the crazy theory that "zero carbon" is the way to go. Am I missing something here, plants depend on carbon dioxide, and we depend on them, in turn to breathe. Are the people that propogate these ideas taking mind bending chemicals, what? I think we need to start following the basic facts of life, not "follow the science" 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Acerforestry

[oowee]

On 03/11/2023 at 09:56, oldypigeonpopper said:

but getting back to the original post i am sure many who voted Conservative regret it now , but what was the alternative at the general election, Corbyn and his band of ****** MPs

Was blue or red really the only choice? I know there is a view that if you don't vote blue or red you waste your vote but we have to try. If you picked blue you are in part responsible for this shower. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by oowee

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Was blue or red really the only choice? I know there is a view that if you don't vote blue or red you waste your vote but we have to try. If you picked blue you are in part responsible for this shower. 

Agreed, I'm voting reform at the next one, but I think any party that isn't any of the major ones is a good start.