Newbie to this Posted yesterday at 05:27 Report Share Posted yesterday at 05:27 (edited) Revenge should play no part in policing I have no idea what happened before the clip, and will, like others reserve judgement on the kick. That being said, watch the second assault, by the same officer. The second man is sitting on a chair with hands on his head, he is fully complying with the officer, but still gets a kick and pistol whipped with a taser. It's hard to defend the first actions, when you look at the second ones............ Edited yesterday at 05:45 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted yesterday at 05:38 Report Share Posted yesterday at 05:38 (edited) You can’t kick and stamp on someone on the ground like that. Feel sorry for the copper - colleague gets nose broken by scumbag, easy to see and flash red etc. and that’s 20 years on the job and pension up in smoke right there - but it’s still a no no. A brighter copper aware of all the recording devices in airports should have waited for the trip back to the station perhaps? 😀 Nice to see the race brigade out at the drop of a hat and flexing. Pretty sure colour wasn’t an issue - scum bags come in all colours shapes and sizes. . Edited yesterday at 05:40 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted yesterday at 06:16 Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:16 52 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said: AFAIK why have none of the alleged attackers been charged with,at least,the assault of the injured police officers not to mention the trying grabbing a police firearm charge. i think they have been charged .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted yesterday at 06:44 Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:44 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cn05p53qw9zo Please, can anyone tell me, honestly, that the police in this video are carrying out their 'law enforcement' correctly ? 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted yesterday at 06:48 Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:48 3 minutes ago, JKD said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cn05p53qw9zo Please, can anyone tell me, honestly, that the police in this video are carrying out their 'law enforcement' correctly ? 🤷♂️ From the video no. Apparently it may not be the whole picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted yesterday at 07:11 Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:11 14 minutes ago, oowee said: From the video no. Apparently it may not be the whole picture. It's obviously not the "whole picture". The thread and discussion is about the "kick", what leads up to that, and in and around the video clips, will come out in due course. What I'm seeing is violence and incorrect police procedure towards people 'complying' with their orders, causing no threat at the time of the 'violence'. For example,,,, pepper spraying that guy who was not a threat at that particular moment 🤷♂️ Pushing that elderly woman away when she could have been ushered away carefully 🤦♂️ The video obviously shows the other 'incidents of violence'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted yesterday at 07:18 Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:18 6 minutes ago, JKD said: It's obviously not the "whole picture". The thread and discussion is about the "kick", what leads up to that, and in and around the video clips, will come out in due course. What I'm seeing is violence and incorrect police procedure towards people 'complying' with their orders, causing no threat at the time of the 'violence'. For example,,,, pepper spraying that guy who was not a threat at that particular moment 🤷♂️ Pushing that elderly woman away when she could have been ushered away carefully 🤦♂️ The video obviously shows the other 'incidents of violence'. I am seeing the same but its apparently not the whole picture. Without the whole picture we are unable to reach a conclusion only speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted yesterday at 07:23 Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:23 1 minute ago, oowee said: I am seeing the same but its apparently not the whole picture. Without the whole picture we are unable to reach a conclusion only speculation. Undertones of my reply is,,,, how can some on here condone this behaviour, even without the "full story" ? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted yesterday at 07:34 Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:34 13 minutes ago, oowee said: I am seeing the same but its apparently not the whole picture. Without the whole picture we are unable to reach a conclusion only speculation. Exactly this. It certainly isn't a good look, but there are many scenarios leading up to that kick that potentially could justify it. The fact we can't see what happens before makes it pointless to speculate as we don't have the full facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted yesterday at 07:48 Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:48 8 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said: The Police were assaulted and won, good on them. In America they would be dead. We are not in America thank God if the police get away with this kind of retaliation we will end up like America shoot first ask questions later I agree with using any method to take down someone who is threatening your life but that lad was on the ground defenseless the copper lost his temper and as a firearms officer how much more would it have taken before he pulls the triger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted yesterday at 07:56 Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:56 Strange now , how all of a sudden, they have become the victims , as portrayed in this video made by there legal rep. Now we have mob rule . Where was the mob rule when one of our serving military personnel was deliberately attacked and is now fighting for his life . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted yesterday at 07:56 Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:56 6 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: We are not in America thank God if the police get away with this kind of retaliation we will end up like America shoot first ask questions later I agree with using any method to take down someone who is threatening your life but that lad was on the ground defenseless the copper lost his temper and as a firearms officer how much more would it have taken before he pulls the triger No pun intended but bang on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted yesterday at 08:06 Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:06 12 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: We are not in America thank God if the police get away with this kind of retaliation we will end up like America shoot first ask questions later I agree with using any method to take down someone who is threatening your life but that lad was on the ground defenseless the copper lost his temper and as a firearms officer how much more would it have taken before he pulls the triger Agree entirely. The defenseless lad on the ground appeared totally incapacitated, and his mother [?] was by his side, who then tried to pull him away after the kick and stamp 🙄 It looked like the police were chaotic while everything else appeared subdued ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted yesterday at 08:38 Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:38 41 minutes ago, johnphilip said: Strange now , how all of a sudden, they have become the victims , as portrayed in this video made by there legal rep. Now we have mob rule . Where was the mob rule when one of our serving military personnel was deliberately attacked and is now fighting for his life . Just seen another video of him on LBC, stating it was an assassination attempt by the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted yesterday at 09:54 Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:54 It is just so wearing and nauseating that race and colour immediately get drawn into this and the usual suspects then think it's an automatic right to go out and riot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted yesterday at 10:16 Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:16 Hello, Looking at the video it said those assaulted were from a Police family in Manchester i may have got this wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted yesterday at 10:35 Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:35 I accept I was feeling some payback was forgivable and that I now feel it was an over reaction. That said its quite well known that plod will go the extra mile when one of their own are attacked. Perhaps the kicker cop was a boyfriend of the punched female officer would be more speculation on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted yesterday at 10:47 Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:47 I can understand why the police officer went "full tonto", one of his team had their nose broken and the adrenaline was coursing. But the officer should have controlled himself, there was no more threat from that person and force wasn't nessesary to detain. It is sickning watching the solicitor for these low life play the case out on social media whipping up hysteria because they sense a payday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted yesterday at 10:52 Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:52 I did wonder how this particular solicitor came to represent the two lads. Is he a family friend? Was he already the family solicitor? The garbage that comes out of his mouth brings discredit on the legal profession. Whatever the rights and wrongs of what went on, to describe the incident as an assassination attempt is pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted yesterday at 11:04 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:04 10 minutes ago, Gordon R said: The garbage that comes out of his mouth brings discredit on the legal profession. In my personal experience, none of that is unusual for solicitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted yesterday at 11:06 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:06 Lucky it wasn't Glasgow airport the public would have beat them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted yesterday at 11:09 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:09 It was bad but what made it worse was the guy behind sat on the bench the same officer went over to him the guy had his hands behind his head and kneeled on the floor was then kicked and punched to the floor so two people who were complying got roughed up if they started it they kinda got what was coming to them but it was excessive force whichever way you look at it 13 hours ago, 100milesaway said: I believe that the first officers on the scene were all firearm officers a lady firearm officer had her nose broken by one of the lads and one of the others had an attempt made to relieve him of his firearm, the regular airport police then arrived but I have to say at no time did the officers attempt to use firearms only tassers. I have studded the footage and it does appear that there was something on the floor at the side of the lad and the officer attempted to kick that aside and missed and then stamped on it. Was it a mobile phone. All is not as it seems.from Auntie. No he went for his head, why would he want to kick a mobile phone away its not an immediate threat to an armed copper and why would he kick it in the direction of the guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted yesterday at 11:33 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:33 17 minutes ago, yickdaz said: It was bad but what made it worse was the guy behind sat on the bench the same officer went over to him the guy had his hands behind his head and kneeled on the floor was then kicked and punched to the floor so two people who were complying got roughed up if they started it they kinda got what was coming to them but it was excessive force whichever way you look at it No he went for his head, why would he want to kick a mobile phone away its not an immediate threat to an armed copper and why would he kick it in the direction of the guy How anyone can say they see this differently is beyond me !? What happened in and around these violent episodes doesn't warrant the chaos that ensued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted yesterday at 11:39 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:39 I don't believe that this solicitor is representative of the profession. Most are top people and I have dealt with many. I have never come across anyone as bad as this lad. They range from very sharp to dullards who should stick to conveyancing, but never go out of their way to court controversy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted yesterday at 11:52 Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:52 (edited) 43 minutes ago, yickdaz said: It was bad but what made it worse was the guy behind sat on the bench the same officer went over to him the guy had his hands behind his head and kneeled on the floor was then kicked and punched to the floor so two people who were complying got roughed up if they started it they kinda got what was coming to them but it was excessive force whichever way you look at it No he went for his head, why would he want to kick a mobile phone away its not an immediate threat to an armed copper and why would he kick it in the direction of the guy You forgot the bit where he pistol/taser whipped the second man on the back of the head. It was definitely not reasonable force. I wonder what would happen to any of us that used this kind of 'reasonable force' in self-defence or in defence of others 🤔 While I understand his use of force, as an officer of the law (an armed one at that), it is just unacceptable. To those trying to say they (the police, so there is no confusion) feared their firearm may have been taken. Well maybe he should have drawn his firearm after the alleged attempt to steal his or his colleagues firearm. I would say that would have been reasonable. Only a fool would then resist or try again to disarm an officer, when the threat of lethal force was present. Edited yesterday at 11:53 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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