Liam Payne Died Age 31

[Scully]

6 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Oh get off your high horse, there are many veterens on here who know of many suicides of mates who had PTSD we hear of someone on an almost weekly basis, some of us have seen things that we wouldn't wish on our worst enemies
This was a lad who chased fame, then decided to do drugs and died, and while his death as i have said is sad, lets not start the idol worship, the tv and press have elevated him to near saint hood, he's not a person i would want my grandkids to look up to.

 

Oh please! I’m assuming those ‘veterans’  joined up of their own free will, chasing dreams or ambitions of their own?

Despite the circumstances which result in the cause and deteriation of a persons mental health ( I have friends who served, including one who took his own life ) it takes a certain level of ignorance or arrogance to dismiss the circumstances of one in favour of another. 
Despite the causes, those with mental  health issues very very often self medicate with drink and drugs, and it is this which everyone is quick to point the finger at rather than the underlying reasons behind it. 

 

[welsh1]

37 minutes ago, Scully said:

Oh please! I’m assuming those ‘veterans’  joined up of their own free will, chasing dreams or ambitions of their own?

Despite the circumstances which result in the cause and deteriation of a persons mental health ( I have friends who served, including one who took his own life ) it takes a certain level of ignorance or arrogance to dismiss the circumstances of one in favour of another. 
Despite the causes, those with mental  health issues very very often self medicate with drink and drugs, and it is this which everyone is quick to point the finger at rather than the underlying reasons behind it. 

 

I didn't dismiss one for another , i pointed out that suicide wasn't an exclusive club. 

As for mental health i think i have a pretty good grasp of some of the problems, as they say been there got the t shirt.

[bruno22rf]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

Tad ironic then that you went to the trouble of posting with such knowledge about the subject, given that you couldn’t care less. 🙂

Simply history, didn't know he was dead till I read it on here, cannot name a single song that he mimed to and couldn't even tell you what he looked like, but thank you for your comment - I now know that there IS something I care even less about - now that's Ironic.

[Vince Green]

17 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Oh get off your high horse, there are many veterens on here who know of many suicides of mates who had PTSD we hear of someone on an almost weekly basis, some of us have seen things that we wouldn't wish on our worst enemies
This was a lad who chased fame, then decided to do drugs and died, and while his death as i have said is sad, lets not start the idol worship, the tv and press have elevated him to near saint hood, he's not a person i would want my grandkids to look up to.

 

The army takes in impressionable young men. Fills their heads with the belief they are some sort of elite. Then one day it's "Bye, Thanks and here's your coat. Shut the door on the way out"

The music business  does much the same

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, welsh1 said:

This was a lad who chased fame, then decided to do drugs and died, and while his death as i have said is sad, lets not start the idol worship, the tv and press have elevated him to near saint hood, he's not a person i would want my grandkids to look up to.

I'm hardly on my high horse, I'm saying think before you type, people shouldn't be commenting how little they care about someone taking their own life.

2 hours ago, welsh1 said:

there are many veterens on here who know of many suicides of mates who had PTSD we hear of someone on an almost weekly basis

I'm sure there are, so I'd expect better.

Like I said earlier in the post, I knew it would be drugs and its a waste, it comes as no surprise.

I certainly wouldn't make any pop star an idol, that doesn't mean I'll be disrespectful 

[welsh1]

16 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I'm hardly on my high horse, I'm saying think before you type, people shouldn't be commenting how little they care about someone taking their own life.

I'm sure there are, so I'd expect better.

Like I said earlier in the post, I knew it would be drugs and its a waste, it comes as no surprise.

I certainly wouldn't make any pop star an idol, that doesn't mean I'll be disrespectful 

I did say more than once that it was a shame someone so young had died , but and there is a but, let's not make him out to be a saint.

I don't need to show respect living or dead to someone I think doesn't deserve it.Go look at the pics of the hotel room he smashed up and the drugs all over the place.

 

[Scully]

10 hours ago, welsh1 said:

I didn't dismiss one for another , i pointed out that suicide wasn't an exclusive club. 

As for mental health i think i have a pretty good grasp of some of the problems, as they say been there got the t shirt.

Only the fans are doing the idolising, and the media will milk it for all it’s worth, which has been the way with any celebrity since before the term was even conceived, when they were known as ‘stars’, with the likes of Judy Garland and Keith Moon being only two of a countless stream of examples of such people who self medicated with drugs and especially alcohol because of its ready availability in order to achieve a ‘quiet mind’. 
You were trivialising one in comparison to another, whereas no one is trivialising the PTSD some veterans experience. There are many forms of mental illness and they are all equally valid and I’d expect someone who claims to have the t-shirt would know better and have a tad more compassion. 

10 hours ago, bruno22rf said:

Simply history, didn't know he was dead till I read it on here, cannot name a single song that he mimed to and couldn't even tell you what he looked like, but thank you for your comment - I now know that there IS something I care even less about - now that's Ironic.

You’re welcome, glad I could help. 👍

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello,  It is a shame no one went to help him if they knew he was in such a bad way with Alcohol and Drugs, There must have been people from his Tour Entourage staying in the Hotel ??

[Rewulf]

4 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

There must have been people from his Tour Entourage staying in the Hotel ??

He wasnt on tour.

[old man]

18 hours ago, welsh1 said:

Oh get off your high horse, there are many veterens on here who know of many suicides of mates who had PTSD we hear of someone on an almost weekly basis, some of us have seen things that we wouldn't wish on our worst enemies
This was a lad who chased fame, then decided to do drugs and died, and while his death as i have said is sad, lets not start the idol worship, the tv and press have elevated him to near saint hood, he's not a person i would want my grandkids to look up to.

 

My own thoughts too.

[oldypigeonpopper]

34 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

He wasnt on tour.

Hello, Oh, well I still say he should have had better care if anyone from UK with him

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Why all the fuss about another pointless non entity?

[steve_b_wales]

2 hours ago, old man said:

My own thoughts too.

Ditto!

[Scully]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Why all the fuss about another pointless non entity?

Well, I would think it’s because he was only 31, had a worldwide fan base as one member of a boy band with an equally huge fan base. We may not like what he did or stood for, but hardly a ‘pointless non- entity’  to those millions who followed his career. 
I thought PW members were better than this, but obviously I was wrong. We may all have our opinions, and whatever any of us think about him, that comment of yours I have quoted above isn’t one you would dare repeat  to his parents. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

4 minutes ago, Scully said:

Well, I would think it’s because he was only 31, had a worldwide fan base as one member of a boy band with an equally huge fan base. We may not like what he did or stood for, but hardly a ‘pointless non- entity’  to those millions who followed his career. 
I thought PW members were better than this, but obviously I was wrong. We may all have our opinions, and whatever any of us think about him, that comment of yours I have quoted above isn’t one you would dare repeat  to his parents. 

You are quite correct.

[owain]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Why all the fuss about another pointless non entity?

I have been following this thread, but had nothing really to add to it. 
But 4 beers in on a Friday night, when someone describes another human being as “a pointless non entity” it does seem time to weigh in. And I must say, you seem particularly crass in your remark. 

[TOPGUN749]

Tragic for his family,until this week I hadn’t heard his name,never really been interested in so called celebrities or worshiped them.

[Cranfield]

On 17/10/2024 at 20:31, welsh1 said:

Oh get off your high horse, there are many veterens on here who know of many suicides of mates who had PTSD we hear of someone on an almost weekly basis, some of us have seen things that we wouldn't wish on our worst enemies
This was a lad who chased fame, then decided to do drugs and died, and while his death as i have said is sad, lets not start the idol worship, the tv and press have elevated him to near saint hood, he's not a person i would want my grandkids to look up to.

 

👍My thoughts exactly.

[Mungler]

If in my teens someone threw tens of millions of pounds at me, sent me round the world first class unsupervised and with limitless drugs and women and a team of people kissing my backside I’d probably be dead by now. 

If you’re lucky you get to reach an age where you can look back and see that you were once a know nothing dafty as a teenager and that it is life’s journey that makes you who you are - not money, fame or talent. 

When the music stopped he had pots of money but an empty life, no purpose and no real connection to the world. 

Any parent that puts their kids forward for this sort of fame chasing caper at an early age aren’t ‘parents’ and this latest death is all too predictable and not exactly moving any needle for me - all I’ve ever wanted for my kids is to have a normal life and be happy. 

It’s hard to feel anything for someone you didn’t know, didn’t know of and who had everything. I see lots of public outcrying but with a strong whiff of virtue signalling.

[Gordon R]

Mungler - just about sums it up.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

If in my teens someone threw tens of millions of pounds at me, sent me round the world first class unsupervised and with limitless drugs and women and a team of people kissing my backside I’d probably be dead by now. 

If you’re lucky you get to reach an age where you can look back and see that you were once a know nothing dafty as a teenager and that it is life’s journey that makes you who you are - not money, fame or talent. 

When the music stopped he had pots of money but an empty life, no purpose and no real connection to the world. 

Any parent that puts their kids forward for this sort of fame chasing caper at an early age aren’t ‘parents’ and this latest death is all too predictable and not exactly moving any needle for me - all I’ve ever wanted for my kids is to have a normal life and be happy. 

It’s hard to feel anything for someone you didn’t know, didn’t know of and who had everything. I see lots of public outcrying but with a strong whiff of virtue signalling.

Good post. 👍

It’s an age old story applicable to every generation on a never ending loop. 
 

[jameshunter]

What a tragic news! RIP Liam Payne!