scutt Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 Talking about ending the lives of old sick and disabled . How about assisted dying for kiddy fiddlers terrorists and those who own up to murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 9 minutes ago, scutt said: Talking about ending the lives of old sick and disabled . How about assisted dying for kiddy fiddlers terrorists and those who own up to murder. Come on now, show some compassion and understanding... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted November 25 Author Report Share Posted November 25 Aye ok add those to the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 52 minutes ago, scutt said: Talking about ending the lives of old sick and disabled . How about assisted dying for kiddy fiddlers terrorists and those who own up to murder. For the terminally ill, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCB56 Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Penelope said: For the terminally ill, isn't it? We are all terminally ill, because Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease. Edited November 25 by RCB56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 1 hour ago, scutt said: Talking about ending the lives of old sick and disabled . How about assisted dying for kiddy fiddlers terrorists and those who own up to murder. if you had ever watched terminally ill suffer in agony due to our ‘religiously’ derived laws you wouldn’t be making that comment on the attempt to change the situation. I agree with you on capital punishment but it has no place in this debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 9 minutes ago, Red696 said: if you had ever watched terminally ill suffer in agony due to our ‘religiously’ derived laws you wouldn’t be making that comment on the attempt to change the situation. I agree with you on capital punishment but it has no place in this debate 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 33 minutes ago, steve_b_wales said: 👍 I second this I agree with assisted dying but your comments are stupid if you want another thread on executing terrorists etc start one on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 I'm in. After you've seen it 3 times that's enough for me. Some strange arguments on opposition coming in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 very very difficult subject.........part of me is very much for assisted death and the other part of me is very much against assisted death... i could make the decision for a dear friend or relitive but for anyone else outside the family ...there is no way i could make any desision or even comment......... where the hell do you start ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted November 25 Author Report Share Posted November 25 What I am saying that our politicians are willing to debate assisted dying . but won't have no mention of capital punishment at any time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 (edited) I’m 100% in favour, and while I welcome the freedom to choose, I am very sceptical the legislation as mooted will be fit for purpose. OH’s Father died in the early hours of last Friday morning. As it was assisted dying wasn’t an issue, but if it had been he would have been unable to administer himself a dose of anything, neither would one of my kids 25 years ago, nor a 20 odd year old I know of who has MND, if that was the route she chose to go down. Edited November 25 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 (edited) I honestly think that for many many years doctors have been " assisting " terminally ill patients through the latter stages of their life ,more so at the very end say the last 24-48 hours or so . A little extra pain relief or sedation to to someone who is genuinely beyond any sort of recovery and who's demise is expected and imminent is surely a humanitarian act . As for politicians getting involved , not too sure if they are the right group no matter how well meaning they are, to be debating and ruling .I think i'd be happier with m senior experienced medics holding sway on this issue . Edited November 25 by Jega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 Just now, Jega said: I honestly think that for many many years doctors have been " assisting " terminally ill patients through the latter stages of their life ,more so at the very end say the last 24-48 hours or so . A little extra pain relief or sedation to to someone who is genuinely beyond any sort of recovery is surely a humanitarian act . As for politicians getting involved , not too sure if they are the right group no matter how well meaning they are, to be debating and ruling .I think i'd be happier with medics holding sway on this issue . Think there is already assisted dyeing, dont know if its the same with all cancers but my dad died of liver cancer, diagnosed and died 3 months later, two weeks before he died they put him on a morphine injection machine, he never regained conscious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 With MIL in hospital and unlikely to recover they simply withdrew IV's supplying hydration and nutrition but kept up the sedation. That was about 14 years ago, the 'Liverpool Pathway' they called it. While not administering medication to hasten death it brought a quicker death by withdrawing medication and nutrition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 100% behind this. Disappointed it has taken so so long to come forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet11-87 Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 ive always been of the opinion that choosing the terms in which you leave should be a human right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 Having sat with my wife's family last week as her Mum died, it was peaceful, she had been ill for a few weeks with a heart and liver not working properly, as she drifted out of it a shunt was attached to make sure she wasn't in pain, and over 24 hrs she gently slipped away, it's a story no doubt repeated round the country on a daily basis, everyone knows when the shunt is added that it is a way of "drugging" you up enough to let you go. My Dad had leukeimia for 3 years, and got a year longer than was diagnosed, he insisted stopping treatment in the end as it was brutal to his body and mind, he was on morphine and other stuff, and we all knew that when my Mum called in the middle of the night to say he had passed that he had taked quite a bit of medication to be comfortable. My worry with assisted dying is coersion, in canada there seems to be a creep from you asking, to practitioners suggesting, and if you are vulnerable this shouldn't be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 42 minutes ago, Miserableolgit said: With MIL in hospital and unlikely to recover they simply withdrew IV's supplying hydration and nutrition but kept up the sedation. That was about 14 years ago, the 'Liverpool Pathway' they called it. While not administering medication to hasten death it brought a quicker death by withdrawing medication and nutrition. My FIL was on that pathway so inhumane IMO. Now stopped I believe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 (edited) 35 minutes ago, welsh1 said: My worry with assisted dying is coersion, in canada there seems to be a creep from you asking, to practitioners suggesting, and if you are vulnerable this shouldn't be allowed. With the black hole(s) in the economy, assisted dying will eventually become a duty rather than a right. There's also the question of how assisted dying will interface with Power of Attorney. Will POAs be allowed to make the decision for mum and dad when they are also beneficiaries of their estate? Bit of a conflict of interest there. Edited November 25 by serrac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Miserableolgit said: With MIL in hospital and unlikely to recover they simply withdrew IV's supplying hydration and nutrition but kept up the sedation. That was about 14 years ago, the 'Liverpool Pathway' they called it. While not administering medication to hasten death it brought a quicker death by withdrawing medication and nutrition. something similar happened to my mother....i indicated to the care home doctor that it would be the kindest thing if she just faded away.....10 days later she died....peacefully Edited November 25 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 45 minutes ago, old man said: My FIL was on that pathway so inhumane IMO. Now stopped I believe? Yes I believe it has. If she or her next of kin had been asked if she wished her to follow that 'pathway' it would have been one thing, but if my memory is correct I do not believe they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 27 minutes ago, ditchman said: something similar happened to my mother....i indicated to the care home doctor that it would be the kindest thing if she just faded away.....10 days later she died....peacefully To the best of my memory I do not recall her or her next of kin [my wife] being asked. In fact I just checked with her and my wife confirms that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 14 minutes ago, Miserableolgit said: Yes I believe it has. If she or her next of kin had been asked if she wished her to follow that 'pathway' it would have been one thing, but if my memory is correct I do not believe they were. That is the point in the this bill that any discussions will be independent of other family members so that a decision is made in isolation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 28 minutes ago, Miserableolgit said: To the best of my memory I do not recall her or her next of kin [my wife] being asked. In fact I just checked with her and my wife confirms that was the case. i can remember the conversation my wife and i had...in the staff room with the doctor...we asked to see the doctor and he made time and a private area to have the conversation...i remember it very very well altho it was over 2 decades ago.....i / we had never heard of Liverpool pathway or assisted death............it was a truthful and frank and honest conversation.... even now i feel a great sense of relief talking about it....as it was so dignified as to how it was handled........this is how (as i now know) how things were handled in the old days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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