Trump and Zelensky Oval Office meeting

[Red carp]

3 minutes ago, holloway said:

I am beginning to find it difficult to separate the USA from Russia now Trump has no morals at all .

+1  Trump don’t give a flying #### about the war that’s all he is concerned about is the money the USA are spending to help Ukraine 🇺🇦

Edited 10 hours ago by Red carp

[12gauge82]

23 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Wow, really?

Just because Putin bad, that does not make Zelenskyy good. He’s a corrupt, warmongering, minority oppressor & corrupt ****bag to boot.

Well past time he was reacquainted with reality. Millions are dead. Trump is at least interested in pursuing peace, unlike his predecessor or Boris.

It depresses me how many people have to see things in such black & white terms. 

Everyone has their faults, but the invasion itself is black and white. Last time I checked it was Russia that twice invaded Ukraine and not the other way around. 

1 hour ago, Scully said:

Thought Starmer had sorted this? 

🤭

[Clayduster]

There is a phrase “The scum always settles at the top “ this is that moment. A time in history reflective of 1933. Can’t think it can be avoided. When capital fails war is inevitable.

[Red carp]

If Starmer thinks he has secured a trade deal with the USA he is dreaming 😴  Trump is a nut job 🤣 I can’t wait to see how the trade markets react Monday morning 📉

Edited 10 hours ago by Red carp

[clangerman]

oh dear we are upset with our master who right now will be on the phone with boyo laughing at how easily they set Zelenskyy up  and how thick everyone else was to think they had a seat in a game of two players! 

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said:

It was probably pre scripted. 
 

Trump said he would end the war. 
Zelenskyy said he won’t give up any land. 
 

Zelensky can now give up land and save face saying he can’t possibly carry on. 
 

Trump said he ended the war and gets significant mineral deals. 
 

Putin gains some land and resources in that terrain. 
 

Everyone “wins” to some degree. 

Probably about right 👍

1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Wow, really?

Just because Putin bad, that does not make Zelenskyy good. He’s a corrupt, warmongering, minority oppressor & corrupt ****bag to boot.

Well past time he was reacquainted with reality. Millions are dead. Trump is at least interested in pursuing peace, unlike his predecessor or Boris.

It depresses me how many people have to see things in such black & white terms. 

Is it not like star wars? One side good and other bad?

Of course it's not!

[enfieldspares]

1 hour ago, johnphilip said:

Yer he took Trumps heating allowance 😀😀😀😀

Love it!

[ditchman]

i think we are looking at pure theatre.........this has been thought out well before hand.....so people dont loose face......

the world has reached the next age ..........."the fight for resources"...........

it will be sorted...

[udderlyoffroad]

1 hour ago, holloway said:

You haven't answered my question ,  why ?

For the third time, Putin bad because, yes, he invaded Ukraine. Happy now?

My question is; do you have any idea why?

[NoBodyImportant]

3 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Well apparently the whole thing was Zelensky's fault.

Technically it was Viktor Yanukovych that started it, but Zelensky went hard on  the ethnic cleansing in Donetsk and Luhansk. 

[NoBodyImportant]

2 hours ago, ordnance said:

Again victim blaming, you are the sort that would blame a woman for fighting her rapist. There would be no need for any need for peace talks if Putin / Russia had not invaded Ukraine 🙄

What if the women ethnic cleansed two states leading up to the rape.  

[Stonepark]

2 hours ago, ordnance said:

Again victim blaming, you are the sort that would blame a woman for fighting her rapist. There would be no need for any need for peace talks if Putin / Russia had not invaded Ukraine 🙄

Stawman argument and as hominem attacks... The sign of those losing....

2 hours ago, ordnance said:

Again victim blaming, you are the sort that would blame a woman for fighting her rapist. There would be no need for any need for peace talks if Putin / Russia had not invaded Ukraine 🙄

Stawman argument and ad hominem attacks... The sign of those losing....

There would have been no need for the invasion of a coup hadn't taken place Nazi's put in charge and 14000 Ukrainian civilians killed between 2014 and 2o22

2 hours ago, ordnance said:

Again victim blaming, you are the sort that would blame a woman for fighting her rapist. There would be no need for any need for peace talks if Putin / Russia had not invaded Ukraine 🙄

Stawman argument and ad hominem attacks... The sign of those losing....

There would have been no need for the invasion if a coup hadn't taken place Nazi's put in charge and 14000 Ukrainian civilians killed between 2014 and 2o22

[NoBodyImportant]

2 hours ago, RCB56 said:

Trump is only bothered about the USA, what he said about the Ukraine only lasting a month without all the help they have had from NATO is correct. 

I'm  not saying what Putin is doing is right, but don't forget that the largest Empire ever was the British Empire ruling 25% of the world and only just over 100 years ago.

This, Trump ran on an America first policy.  

 

2 hours ago, Bigteddy1954 said:

Hi folks the trouble with Trump and vance is they like the sound of their own voice.Every thing they say they think it's the right thing .they just a set of bullies and biggest rouges in the world 

I think Zelenskyy started demanding this and demanding that and it triggered Trump.  Ukraine is not entitled to American money and protection.  

3 hours ago, ordnance said:

Yeah his fault for not kissing Trump's *** 🙄

I honestly think it goes back to Zelenskyy demanding this and demanding that. You can’t say I’m not signing this without you doing this when America doesn’t have a dog in this fight.  To make demands of America is a bad idea as we have new leadership. 

[holloway]

22 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

For the third time, Putin bad because, yes, he invaded Ukraine. Happy now?

My question is; do you have any idea why?

Thank you no more questions.

[NoBodyImportant]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

I can not understand your thought process, the death and destruction facing a clearly desperate zelensky and Ukrainians trying to fend off a far superior military force, only to receive further bullying from the supposedly leader of the free world. 

I didn’t see any bullying, I saw an American president that refused to be demanded to do something.  For years Europe has looked to America to pick up the tab for military support, food security , research and development, economic stability.  And after so many years of doing it European nations now expect it as it’s Americas duty.  

1 hour ago, holloway said:

You haven't answered my question ,  why ?

Dig deeper, Putin invaded because nobody else stepped up to defend Donetsk and Luhansk from the Ukraine.  

[welsh1]

3 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I didn’t see any bullying, I saw an American president that refused to be demanded to do something.  For years Europe has looked to America to pick up the tab for military support, food security , research and development, economic stability.  And after so many years of doing it European nations now expect it as it’s Americas duty.  

I saw two deranged Americans try to humiliate the leader of another country which has lost hundreds of thousands of their people trying to stop another deranged individual who invaded their country.

There is a thing called diplomacy, something it seems the fat oaf and his thick side kick don't do.

Zelinsky isn't demanding anything,he is pleading for help to stop one of the largest super powers over running his country, the people, of his country have given their lives ,all he is asking is for money and arms to fight this proxy war.

America should hang its head in shame for the debacle witnessed this evening.your leaders let you down.

 

[NoBodyImportant]

1 hour ago, holloway said:

I am beginning to find it difficult to separate the USA from Russia now Trump has no morals at all .

Russia and the USA are neighbors.  We are 3 miles apart.   Ukraine is 5000 miles away.  To ask America to get evolved in a war against our neighbor to prop up an oppressive regime 5000 miles away that was fundamentally wrong to begin with is insane.  China is about to sweep through Asia in the next 50 years and Russia will be a great asset to America.  Despite your thoughts on the Russian invasion you can’t deny the atrocities that The Ukraine was committing in Donetsk and Luhansk.  

[holloway]

11 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I didn’t see any bullying, I saw an American president that refused to be demanded to do something.  For years Europe has looked to America to pick up the tab for military support, food security , research and development, economic stability.  And after so many years of doing it European nations now expect it as it’s Americas duty.  

Dig deeper, Putin invaded because nobody else stepped up to defend Donetsk and Luhansk from the Ukraine.  

I see a nation that has more in common with Russia than Ukraine ,

 

1 minute ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Russia and the USA are neighbors.  We are 3 miles apart.   Ukraine is 5000 miles away.  To ask America to get evolved in a war against our neighbor to prop up an oppressive regime 5000 miles away that was fundamentally wrong to begin with is insane.  China is about to sweep through Asia in the next 50 years and Russia will be a great asset to America.  Despite your thoughts on the Russian invasion you can’t deny the atrocities that The Ukraine was committing in Donetsk and Luhansk.  

I think you have said it all now, comrade .we will agree to differ ,hopefully the rest of the world will have more moral fibre.

[NoBodyImportant]

3 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

America should hang its head in shame for the debacle witnessed this evening.your leaders let you down.

 

He didn’t let me down,  Trump handled it the way I would have.  Trump won by a landslide for a reason.  The American majority stand by him 100%.   Europe should hang their hand in shame for allowing the Ukrainians to do what they did in Donetsk and Luhansk 

[welsh1]

1 minute ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Russia and the USA are neighbors.  We are 3 miles apart.   Ukraine is 5000 miles away.  To ask America to get evolved in a war against our neighbor to prop up an oppressive regime 5000 miles away that was fundamentally wrong to begin with is insane.  China is about to sweep through Asia in the next 50 years and Russia will be a great asset to America.  Despite your thoughts on the Russian invasion you can’t deny the atrocities that The Ukraine was committing in Donetsk and Luhansk.  

Ukraine is a strategic point in Europe, get off your high horse thinking America alone defends Europe, I spent many years based in Germany, my life expectancy as advanced engineer reconnaissance  was less than an hour, ironically twice a year I had to waste my time guarding American sites.

If you think Russia will be an asset to you then you really are mad, you do realise that Russia China and north Korea will all gladly wipe you off the map,  and if China kicks off its unlikely you will win a conventional war by yourself.

[clangerman]

22 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

He didn’t let me down,  Trump handled it the way I would have.  Trump won by a landslide for a reason.  The American majority stand by him 100%.   Europe should hang their hand in shame for allowing the Ukrainians to do what they did in Donetsk and Luhansk 

you don’t understand how the British work we have an inbred refusal to accept truth so won’t ever admit it’s a dog eat dog world where if you can’t kick a** you have to kiss someone else’s! 

[NoBodyImportant]

27 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Ukraine is a strategic point in Europe, get off your high horse thinking America alone defends Europe, I spent many years based in Germany, my life expectancy as advanced engineer reconnaissance  was less than an hour, ironically twice a year I had to waste my time guarding American sites.

If you think Russia will be an asset to you then you really are mad, you do realise that Russia China and north Korea will all gladly wipe you off the map,  and if China kicks off its unlikely you will win a conventional war by yourself.

Soviets would have steam rolled Europe if America hadn’t bankrupted them.  

Just watched a live interview of Trump.  He said it perfectly just now.  He said Zelenskyy doesn’t want peace. He wants to keep fighting with American assets.  I don’t what more deaths, America wants European peace.  

[ditchman]

1 minute ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Soviets would have steam rolled Europe if America hadn’t bankrupted them.  

................and £200 quid drones wiped out their tanks.............who the hell would want to be a tank driver ...all they are now are mobile artillary..

[NoBodyImportant]

Just now, ditchman said:

................and £200 quid drones wiped out their tanks.............who the hell would want to be a tank driver ...all they are now are mobile artillary..

Yeah Russia isn’t what to Soviet Union was.  They are a former shell.  But they are still up there in capability.  Tanks have never been good on their own.  Tanks should be used in a strike package.  Air cover, infantry, artillery all in one coherent package.  

[ordnance]

6 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Soviets would have steam rolled Europe if America hadn’t bankrupted them.  

Just watched a live interview of Trump.  He said it perfectly just now.  He said Zelenskyy doesn’t want peace. He wants to keep fighting with American assets.  I don’t what more deaths, America wants European peace.  

He doesn’t want peace at any cost, but there were pople that wanted Britain to surrender to Nazi germany durring WW2. The same appeasement surrender advocates are around today.