Gimlet Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Anyone else delighted at this result? Finally parliament has grown a pair and told Washington to go and play world policeman on its own. I'm heartily sick of UK governments thinking they have the moral authority to squander British money and British lives wading in to take charge of other peoples battles like some global playground attendant. A very rare piece of good news from Westminster. I hope they stick to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Shame all those civilians have to be napalmed and gassed while we sit back and wash out hands of it though, bit like looking the other way whilst a vulnerable person is robbed and beaten in my eyes. And to try and make political headroom out of,is in my eyes being spineless,not prudent or cautious, and is also wrong. There was no intention of boots in the ground, just short sharp stragic military strikes on I presume chemical weapon store, command and control infrastructure and air bases, over in minutes and their neighbours and those internaly can fight it out on even terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I'm sorry but the indepent review a month or so back proved both sides had use chemical weapons and we have no right to get involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 How much oil do they have? I'll decide whether its right and proper to intervene when i've ascertained what they're sitting on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) Lobbing a few cruise missiles about to ease western consciences will help no-one but those forces in the region who desire an escalation. This is not a simplistic war between tyranny and freedom, it is the latest installment of a 600 year old feud between Sunni and Shia Islam. If the west gets involved, far more people will be gassed and napalmed and the conflict will spread beyond Syria's borders. I can't help feeling the west instinctively backs the wrong horse in the Arab Islamic world. We back Sunnis unthinkingly because The west's most important (most oil-rich) ally, Saudi Arabia, is Sunni. But it is Sunni Islam that seeks a global caliphate, which is the least tolerant of other religions and other cultures, and which favours theocracy over secular government. Al Queda is a Sunni organisation. There is nothing the west can do militiarily except makes things far worse. Edited August 31, 2013 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 There is nothing the west can do militiarily except makes things far worse. As sad as it is to see the images on our TV's I totally agree with Gimlets comment above Working in the Middle East I hear the comments from those around me, and trust me they dont want us or the yanks interferring in this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Can't see why we don't just overthrow there goverment and hand there country over to the terrorist. That's what we normally do why change a habit of a lifetime. Let's face it we expect these people to be and act like us when quite simply they don't. They seem to thrive on warfare, rape and killing. Let em get on with it and stay well away. Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Shame all those civilians have to be napalmed and gassed while we sit back and wash out hands of it though, bit like looking the other way whilst a vulnerable person is robbed and beaten in my eyes. And to try and make political headroom out of,is in my eyes being spineless,not prudent or cautious, and is also wrong. There was no intention of boots in the ground, just short sharp stragic military strikes on I presume chemical weapon store, command and control infrastructure and air bases, over in minutes and their neighbours and those internaly can fight it out on even terms. That's about my view of it, it's easy to sit back safe and sound in Dorset and say let Assad continue gassing people but should it be ok in this day and age? Yes it's the Middle East but were it to happen closer to home the response would be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) Good news,time we let them get on with it,none of them would thank us afterwards anyway ! Let the U.S. and Jews pay & play,they like wargames ! Edited August 31, 2013 by matone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 It all smells of BS to me. A bit like WMD in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) I reckon the Red Cross on the ground would suggest you don't know your backside from your elbow Aris Edited August 31, 2013 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I don't know why Sunni and Shia can't just get along, sure they've had their differences and past aggressions but in the early days they made some lovely music together. Take 'I can see clearly now' for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Were dammed if do get involved and dammed if we don't, im glad were not getting involved. Let em get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Were dammed if do get involved and dammed if we don't, im glad were not getting involved. Let em get on with it. I tend to agree with this but Millibands attempt to make hay out of this was repugnant and has probably sealed his fate (I hope). My thoughts are with the innocents, as ever, I hope, this time, someone finds the full truth and those responsible are gassed with Sarin. Whoever they are. If I was Obama, I would think twice but he has more intel than I, and rather more military than we can drag together. I just hope whatever he does is proportionate and very well justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Shame all those civilians have to be napalmed and gassed while we sit back and wash out hands of it though, bit like looking the other way whilst a vulnerable person is robbed and beaten in my eyes. And to try and make political headroom out of,is in my eyes being spineless,not prudent or cautious, and is also wrong. There was no intention of boots in the ground, just short sharp stragic military strikes on I presume chemical weapon store, command and control infrastructure and air bases, over in minutes and their neighbours and those internaly can fight it out on even terms. Not at all, the other Arab States should wade in and sort it out or sit back and let it become a full scale civil war. I agree absolutely that "POLITICAL CAPITAL" should not be made by MILLIBLAND and Co from such a momentous event where Parliament actually worked as it should and the will of the people was accepted in Westminster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) Its a job to know what we could have threatened them with-most of our Armed forces are now part time and the rest, at this time of year, are on holiday in Ibiza. We could borrow the Vulcan I suppose or ask the French to lend us a ship but I fear that our aggressive capability is restricted to withdrawing Marmite and Milk powder. If they really want the west to get involved they would be wise to start drilling for oil. Edited August 31, 2013 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 The other day I was attacked . I was sat in my van when a moron pulled up and started punching me through my window. He damaged my hearing and my van resulting in a day off work and £648 bill . People walked by and ignored it while I shouted for help but I was to scared to fight back incase I loose my fac ,sgc . I NEEDED HELP ...... I also have 2 children aged 4 and 7 so to see the same aged kids lying their dead on tv is upsetting. We need to help and stop the suffering . The only thing that stops a bully is a bigger bully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I'm split on this issue to be honest.I despise bullies with a passion and on a humanitarian issue (especially as a Dad) I say blitz the ******* responsible.On the other hand,I can't help but think that if we do go in,it will ultimately backfire on us at some time in the future when those we helped turn round and bite the hand that feeds on our own streets in the cause of some archaic deity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 The US hypocrisy is pretty astounding. They murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in their 'shock and awe' campaign in Iraq and, even now, hundreds of Pakistani women, children and old men are being killed daily by US drone attacks in Pakistan and we're not even at war with Pakistan. Whether it's chemicals or Hellfires you're still dead or maimed. Syria is part of the line of countries, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan which are between Russia and Saudi Arabia so it's my belief that all the various groups are being supplied, wound up then let loose to fight proxy wars on behalf of the 'superpowers' to try to control access to oil. If Russia is supplying Assad's regime then it's in the US interest to depose Assad or at least destabilise the country to the point where it's ungovernable. Like Iraq is now with countless bombings and killings every day because of the political vacuum caused by the US. It's all very well voting to take action against Syria but don't for get that every action causes a reaction. When the bombs start going off in London, Birmingham or Bradford in revenge then there'll be a weeping and gnashing of teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Glad our boys are not going to be put in harms way again or our bankrupt economy robbed of more cash. Agree its sad what's going on over there but more places than Syria are starting to kick off. The whole thing would blow up in our faces if we got involved. As for no boots on the ground, don't believe that for a minute, lob a few missiles and walk away after starting something, not going to happen. We can not be the worlds police. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 We are no longer a world leader and have no army air force or navy left to fight a war. So keep out of it but voice an opinion, its a civil war not invasive war so let em sort it out themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 If there was to be any movement in Syria it should have been close to the outset, not 2 years down the road, all wars civil or otherwise will escalate to some extent so the brakes should have been applied earlier, if, we were to have intervened. Better to use our facilities to help the helpless in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Shame all those civilians have to be napalmed and gassed while we sit back and wash out hands of it though, bit like looking the other way whilst a vulnerable person is robbed and beaten in my eyes. And to try and make political headroom out of,is in my eyes being spineless,not prudent or cautious, and is also wrong. There was no intention of boots in the ground, just short sharp stragic military strikes on I presume chemical weapon store, command and control infrastructure and air bases, over in minutes and their neighbours and those internaly can fight it out on even terms. Why do we even need to do anything military? The answer is, we don't.... Medical aid and other such aid for civilians displaced is far more appropriate. The rebels are a bunch of terrorist. Fabricating events to get the west involved and massacring its own people. Half of them don't know their head from their ****. Yet you want to help them take over power of a country? Look in the past, who have we helped win a war and the grass has been greener on the other side? Muslim brotherhood pop up everywhere more extreme to its people than the last government. Or you get the taliban! Who are we to get involved. How much oil do they have? I'll decide whether its right and proper to intervene when i've ascertained what they're sitting on. Has a bit of oil. Not as much as the others though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Scholl Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 We are no longer a world leader and have no army air force or navy left to fight a war. So keep out of it but voice an opinion, its a civil war not invasive war so let em sort it out themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 The rebels are a bunch of terrorist. Fabricating events to get the west involved and massacring its own people. That's what I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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