four-wheel-drive Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 This has been on the news today they say that it is good for our acconamy to have these people come in and for the most part they are not on benefits or tacking our council houses also they tend to be well educated and hard workers for the most part. I have nothing against most of them as they are only trying to have a better life than they can have in there own country due to low pay and lack of work but and it is a big but they are doing jobs that British people should be doing there are lots of people on the dole that should be made to work but also lots that would jump at the chance to have a job. They are living in rented accommodation thus pushing the rents up for the rest then you get the buy to rent people pushing the price of buying a house up even more add to this they are having lots of baby's so we need more hospitals and schools and to cap it all we are running out of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Lies, damned lies and Statistics!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Lies, damned lies and Statistics!!!!!!!! Amen to that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 The politicians claim they are good for the economy, but i think everyone has come to there own conclusion whether or not a contribution to the uk is being made or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 This has been on the news today they say that it is good for our acconamy to have these people come in and for the most part they are not on benefits or tacking our council houses also they tend to be well educated and hard workers for the most part. I have nothing against most of them as they are only trying to have a better life than they can have in there own country due to low pay and lack of work but and it is a big but they are doing jobs that British people should be doing there are lots of people on the dole that should be made to work but also lots that would jump at the chance to have a job. They are living in rented accommodation thus pushing the rents up for the rest then you get the buy to rent people pushing the price of buying a house up even more add to this they are having lots of baby's so we need more hospitals and schools and to cap it all we are running out of space. There are some ( not all) immigrants who will do the jobs that some brits will not. Before I get a barrage of abuse I am not saying that all brits are lazy and all immigrants are good. I know there are areas of the country with no jobs despite people wanting to work. I don't know how big the issue is or where it is but it's not simply a black and white case of saying that all immigrants are taking uk jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Anyone who thinks immigration is the major problem in this country has obviously never watched the Jeremy Kyle Show... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10375358/True-scale-of-European-immigration.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 As I have always said, we have immutable borders, a finite land mass, we cannot take all these people !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastshooter Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Totally agree I started world war 3 on Facebook when I mentioned something like this about people who should work but refuse to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 its the polititions way of saying, the immigration policy isnt working. we really should enjoy the fact that they are useful in society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 This Island has always been a lifeboat for people at risk of drowning can get on board. But , what happens when the lifeboat sinks, Because no one will bail out any more? My closest friend who is retired helped with the census a few years ago. When I asked him "how come you are out so late?" his reply was "I can only catch the Polish and East Europeans, when they finish work". The company I work for has taken on people from Europe on telephone sales because they can speak properly ie they say "Think" , and not "Fink", "Three", and not "Free" which is really important when your only contact with the customer is verbally.. (Why is Diction, no longer taught in OUR schools ?) .9 grade A plus exam passes and they can't string a sentence together, Spandit , you hit the nail squarely on the head. I have a twenty eight year old son, who plays on his play station, and moans about immigrants taking jobs,rather than get off his lazy backside and compete with them. Most of us "without Red hair" could probably trace our roots back to immigrants some where along the line. And if you look back 70 years, you may see how many stood along side us against Nazi tyranny. Anyone who pulls their weight , I personally don't have a problem with.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 There is a lady who sells the Big issue where we go shopping, she has been doing that for the last 4 years, i have seen her pregnant 3 times, 1 foreign woman should counted as several when they come in to the Country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Anyone who thinks immigration is the major problem in this country has obviously never watched the Jeremy Kyle Show... Why would any sane person watch such garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) It is a can of worms. If we could control which immigrants came into the UK - great. But we can't. So we get skilled and unskilled. Low wage earners are a serious concern, and a big drain on the economy as they tend to use more resources through benefits, and tax credits than others. One of the reasons that wages have remained low is immigration - supply and demand. Immigrants may be willing to work harder for less, and tend to be more mobile going to where the work is. The skilled immigrants do contribute - but do they offset the cost of the unskilled? Everyone deserves a living wage - bringing more people in isn't going to help matters. It sounds like a bit of a pyramid scheme to me. Hopefully not a pyramid made of cards. Edited November 5, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 I would be more than happy to support a policy that worked on mutal swaps. For each Eastern European coming into the UK we send a Uk Citizen to Chernobyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) There are two sides to this as always....the surveys that have been done target EU migrants to show a net benefit to the economy however read this one.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487501/How-migrants-outside-Europe-leave-100billion-hole-public-purse-Amount-taken-benefits-services-14-higher-money-back.html And this...... http://biasedbbc.org/blog/2013/11/05/facts-but-not-all-the-facts/ Edited November 5, 2013 by Sprackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 I can only assume that the authors of this piece are lying or not in possession of the facts. Absolutely clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 If immigrants are so industrious why aren't their countries more successful than ours and why do they want what we have created for ourselves over the years instead of providing it themselves in their own countries? Simple fact is that our country is better as a result of the labours of the British people and we don't need anyone else but big business wants an over supply of cheap labour to maintain big profits by keeping wages low so that's what we end up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Im going to play devils advocate here... Anyone living in or around Peterborough will be aware of the huge amounts of immigrants in that area.They often do the work British people refuse-like working on the fields picking brussel sprouts mid winter in freezing conditions.They also work in the many vegetable packing plants dotted around East Anglia. Do remember this when you're tucking into your Christmas dinner and mopping up gravy with a sprout which grew in Fenland soil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 This was discussed this am on bbc radio 4, the made the distinction between eu and non eu immigrants, at least acknowledging that non eu migrants are not 'net contributors' . I would be very interested to see some research on non eu migrants brought in through marriage. I'll bet my left ******* this would be frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 ***** ** ******** ****** ******* ***** * ***** ** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted November 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 If immigrants are so industrious why aren't their countries more successful than ours and why do they want what we have created for ourselves over the years instead of providing it themselves in their own countries? Simple fact is that our country is better as a result of the labours of the British people and we don't need anyone else but big business wants an over supply of cheap labour to maintain big profits by keeping wages low so that's what we end up with. The simple fact is it is not there fault as under communist rule there countries went down hill just look at what happened with Germany they are still plowing loads of cash in to the east to bring things up to the west level everything takes time they will get there one day and perhaps we will be the ones going to live in there country it many ways places like Poland have lots going for it open spaces bigger that we can dream of in this country forest to hunt in its not looking so bad now after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Im going to play devils advocate here... Anyone living in or around Peterborough will be aware of the huge amounts of immigrants in that area.They often do the work British people refuse-like working on the fields picking brussel sprouts mid winter in freezing conditions.They also work in the many vegetable packing plants dotted around East Anglia. Do remember this when you're tucking into your Christmas dinner and mopping up gravy with a sprout which grew in Fenland soil. And where did the veg packers go to when they were responsible for killing the Warwickshire firefighters and they wanted to escape justice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 And where did the veg packers go to when they were responsible for killing the Warwickshire firefighters and they wanted to escape justice? I have no idea what your taking about! Peterborough isnt in Warwickshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 .......that it is good for our acconamy to have..... We could do wif a few moor techers in our skhools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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