Rst1990 Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I'm new to the whole world of shotgun shooting, and I was down my local gun shop trying out all sorts styles brands etc and I walked away thinking are they just all the same?? I know some are more reliable than others but the basics are all the same. Is it down to the cartridge you buy that makes one better than the other? I'm shore I've opened up a whole can of worms here lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Shaw Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 The answer is no not all the same, but all similar, metal tube with woden handle that fires a cartridge with lots of small lead balls. and yes the cartridge can make a difference. Its a bit like comparing cars, from a mini to an audi they are all transport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 As you get more experience you will realise that the answer to your question is a big NO! There are, in fact, many variables that come into it, not least the nut on the end of the stock! lol Cartridges are just one (small, imo) part of it. Some guns 'fit' better than others, some have better balance and are more 'pointable', they shoot high or low depending on the various stock measurements and then there is a huge thing called personal preference. Nothing in life is that easy and choosing a shotgun is just one more. I hope you find what you are looking for, just take loads of qualified advice and be prepared to change your mind at least once. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 As you get more experience you will realise that the answer to your question is a big NO! There are, in fact, many variables that come into it, not least the nut on the end of the stock! lol Cartridges are just one (small, imo) part of it. Some guns 'fit' better than others, some have better balance and are more 'pointable', they shoot high or low depending on the various stock measurements and then there is a huge thing called personal preference. Nothing in life is that easy and choosing a shotgun is just one more. I hope you find what you are looking for, just take loads of qualified advice and be prepared to change your mind at least once. GH That's all I keep on doing is changing my mind lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Excluding single barrel guns and exotic bore sizes, you've got over/unders, side x side, semi auto and pump action guns. Then there's 12, 20, 28 & .410 bore sizes and guns meant for different types of shooting from walked up rough shooting to Olympic trap guns and all stops in between. Your local dealer probably has a selection of SxS field guns as well as O/Us for game, sporting clays and trap. Game guns are lighter and (usually) shorter, trap guns tend to be longer, heavier and fit differently whereas sporters are sort of in between. What type of shooting will you be doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I would wager that above a certain price you're paying for the name/engraving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 all different your best bet is talk to a gunsmith he will be able to explain them you will in time find out.good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 After 25 years of shotgun ownership & shooting, I would say that this is a time when the internet can be a right pain in the proverbial compared with going & hefting a few guns about and shooting as many different guns as you can. I find myself suckered into various tasty looking shooting irons on the web, whereas getting your paws on the gun is the only real way to tell it apart from the others. Some of the photos can make an old nail look like the finest of bundooks ! Italian lacquered triumphs of style over substance, bulky Belgian offerings, quirky French contraptions, all need to be shot and handled to be properly evaluated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) Are all cars the same? They all convey one or more people between two places but you could be in an Austin Metro or a Rolls Royce! Get out to gun-shops and shooting grounds, try all that you can. It would also be useful to know what you intend to do with your chosen weapon, as that would help people answer your original question. Edited December 10, 2013 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I'm new to the whole world of shotgun shooting, and I was down my local gun shop trying out all sorts styles brands etc and I walked away thinking are they just all the same?? I know some are more reliable than others but the basics are all the same. Is it down to the cartridge you buy that makes one better than the other? I'm shore I've opened up a whole can of worms here lol In principle pretty much if you look at the action types (gas op Auto, boxlock, sidelock, pump etc.). Build quality and shape to fit the individual are different but yeah they all go bang! Don't try flighting foreshore geese with a 9mm garden gun designed for rats at 10yards though you will do better with a 12 ga magnum upwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 They are not all the same in so much as many are designed with a specific use in mind. A useless shot with a premium gun will gain little or nothing, an excellent shot with a premium gun will gain a small fraction, but that may mean the difference between Gold at the Olympics and 20th place. An excellent shot with a poor gun will still produce very good results. Fit will be more important! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I didn't really explain myself properly. When I was in the shop I explained to the guy I'm after a shotgun for clay pigeon shooting mainly, he pointed me in the direction of the over and unders 12g I handled a few and was torn between two. After a general chat with the guy he began to show me the other kind of shotguns and out of interest I had a look. So with in mind that I'm after a over and under and the two that I was torn between one being 700 and the other being 1500 I was confused with the price as they both felt the same and pretty much looked the same I'm pretty shore they would shoot the same so are they all just the same but with a fancy name or engraving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoi99 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 After 25 years of shotgun ownership & shooting, I would say that this is a time when the internet can be a right pain in the proverbial compared with going & hefting a few guns about and shooting as many different guns as you can. I find myself suckered into various tasty looking shooting irons on the web, whereas getting your paws on the gun is the only real way to tell it apart from the others. Some of the photos can make an old nail look like the finest of bundooks ! Italian lacquered triumphs of style over substance, bulky Belgian offerings, quirky French contraptions, all need to be shot and handled to be properly evaluated. +1 You never know until you try it. My favourite gun cost me £100 and is considered not the thing to use on clays. Nor is my Pump Action. Try before you buy if you can. Not wanting to sound like a hippy.......but........follow your heart and get a 4 bore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I didn't really explain myself properly. When I was in the shop I explained to the guy I'm after a shotgun for clay pigeon shooting mainly, he pointed me in the direction of the over and unders 12g I handled a few and was torn between two. After a general chat with the guy he began to show me the other kind of shotguns and out of interest I had a look. So with in mind that I'm after a over and under and the two that I was torn between one being 700 and the other being 1500 I was confused with the price as they both felt the same and pretty much looked the same I'm pretty shore they would shoot the same so are they all just the same but with a fancy name or engraving? it sounds to me as if you were being shown guns by a salesman who may not be the best person to explain the difference between guns if you have a gunsmiths near you that also sells guns he will be able to explain the difference between the guns on the shelf.in my opinion a salesman will sell you something (profit driven) a gunsmith will give good advice and promote gun fit and suitability.just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I'm new to the whole world of shotgun shooting, and I was down my local gun shop trying out all sorts styles brands etc and I walked away thinking are they just all the same?? I know some are more reliable than others but the basics are all the same. Is it down to the cartridge you buy that makes one better than the other? I'm shore I've opened up a whole can of worms here lol In my opinion, since you are just starting out all guns will feel the same for you unless a gun is a complete misfit for you're build. Until you get into mounting consistently and gaining experience, you really won't have any idea what is the right gun for you. As others have said, try to get the best advice so that a gun fits you well as a starting point, don't spend fortunes on one, and after some time, I'd say at least a year depending how often you shoot, you will have your own idea on how you want a gun to feel and handle. There are clay grounds with gun shops that let you try before you buy. Get a recomendation on one local to you, go and speak to them and book a few lessons with a view of trying different guns. Cos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I would wager that above a certain price you're paying for the name/engraving and I will wager you have never handled a fine old English gun .a finest purdey is a world apart from a finest Baikal. I do not own a purdey but have had the pleasure in the past of using a friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) It's a bit like saying are all trousers the same. Yes, fundamentally they are, but we all have a personal preference for some of the finer detailing, size, style, usage, brand, and most importantly FIT! Edited December 13, 2013 by LondonLuke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) Book a lesson at a clay ground talk to the coach Ask to try a different one on your next lesson talk To other members they will tell you there preference then you can make a informed decision hope you enjoy the sport and get a nice gun The price difference can occurre for many reasons Fixed choke or multie Ejector or non ejector Box lock side plate or side lock The grade of wood To name a few of many reasons So no not all guns are the same Edited December 13, 2013 by Old farrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 take no notice of all the above comments,,, the truth is they are all the same,, put a cartridge in, pull the trigger,, then it goes bang,, :lol: atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 put a cartridge in, pull the trigger,, then it goes bang,, :lol: Well thats the ideal case............ doesnt always happen some just go click........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Are they all the same? In base function yes. In subtle differences no. And to be honest, if you have just started shotgunning, you're probably not able to tell the differences. My advice would be to buy yourself a cheap O/U, something like a Lanber, or Bettinsoli or similar. 6-700 quids worth of gun that you won't lose a lot if anything on when you sell it, and go shooting for 6 months or so. Learn how to shoot a bit and THEN, go and try a few other guns, find something that feels right (and you will) and then maybe, spend a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 you can miss the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Im with mongrel on this, don't spend loads, get some prwtice and if you want something else then try some more and see if they fit better. A consistent mount and some prwtice will make a big difference. But to be fair my yaris does the same job as my brothers merc amg, his just goes faster and costs more, hes still a **** driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 take no notice of all the above comments,,, the truth is they are all the same,, put a cartridge in, pull the trigger,, then it goes bang,, :lol: atb Evo unless its a hatstand in which case it goes jammed...again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 unless its a hatstand in which case it goes jammed...again INNNNNNN-correct...again! Mine's only jammed twice in 2 years, and I put that down to picking cartridges up off the mud and loading them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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