bunnage Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Where have all the woodpigeon gone ? Some say in the woods, others say the have migrated across the channel, all say they will be back. I say thousands have died from Trichomonas Gallinae or Canker this autumn. This causes lesions in the throat & digestive tract ,which is why we saw all those sick birds in the autumn. It is spread by a parasite. It gets more common every year. To help combat this, I believe we should have a close season on pigeon shooting in June,July & august, voluntary of course but strongly recommended by BASC & the like. I never shoot adult birds to leave the squabs to die of starvation in the nest & nor should others except under dire circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Every year there is a good acorn harvest trich raises its head again, and a small number of people panic. For one thing it has nothing to do with shooting, so I have no idea why you thing a closed season would help with this. In fact like most diseases, it spreads more quickly in a larger more dense population, so your suggestion (leaving more birds to enter the winter) could potentially aggravate the situation. Not forgetting the fact that woodpigeons are a serious agricultural pest, which has seen large population increases in spite of shooting pressure in the last 20 years. Next year will not be a mast year, and things will be back to normal, with birds spread throughout the countryside rather than in big blocks of woodland, where they have little requirement to leave throughout the day. In the sixties many more pigeons died from starvation in the winters, when there was not an abundant supply of acorns and beechmast, due to the absence of oil seed rape across the country. 2013 has been one of the biggest acorn years in many years (after a dire year last year), so it's hardly surprising the birds are feasting on them. Given that in your last line you say you never shoot adult birds to leave young to die (presumably you mean you don't shoot in the spring/summer peak breeding season - although woodpigeons do breed throughout the year). It seems to me that you already would like shooting during summer months to stop, and you are (incorrectly) trying to use Trich as an excuse for a reason that doesn't simply exist. If you do not wish to shoot woodpigeons during the summer months, as several members on here would also agree whether for personal, family, fishing etc... then don't, but to try and argue for a closed season by invoking false science because it suits your personal agenda is wrong and misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Every year there is a good acorn harvest trich raises its head again, and a small number of people panic. For one thing it has nothing to do with shooting, so I have no idea why you thing a closed season would help with this. In fact like most diseases, it spreads more quickly in a larger more dense population, so your suggestion (leaving more birds to enter the winter) could potentially aggravate the situation. Not forgetting the fact that woodpigeons are a serious agricultural pest, which has seen large population increases in spite of shooting pressure in the last 20 years. Next year will not be a mast year, and things will be back to normal, with birds spread throughout the countryside rather than in big blocks of woodland, where they have little requirement to leave throughout the day. In the sixties many more pigeons died from starvation in the winters, when there was not an abundant supply of acorns and beechmast, due to the absence of oil seed rape across the country. 2013 has been one of the biggest acorn years in many years (after a dire year last year), so it's hardly surprising the birds are feasting on them. Given that in your last line you say you never shoot adult birds to leave young to die (presumably you mean you don't shoot in the spring/summer peak breeding season - although woodpigeons do breed throughout the year). It seems to me that you already would like shooting during summer months to stop, and you are (incorrectly) trying to use Trich as an excuse for a reason that doesn't simply exist. If you do not wish to shoot woodpigeons during the summer months, as several members on here would also agree whether for personal, family, fishing etc... then don't, but to try and argue for a closed season by invoking false science because it suits your personal agenda is wrong and misleading. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1 webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Where have all the woodpigeon gone ? Some say in the woods, others say the have migrated across the channel, all say they will be back. I say thousands have died from Trichomonas Gallinae or Canker this autumn. This causes lesions in the throat & digestive tract ,which is why we saw all those sick birds in the autumn. It is spread by a parasite. It gets more common every year. To help combat this, I believe we should have a close season on pigeon shooting in June,July & august, voluntary of course but strongly recommended by BASC & the like. I never shoot adult birds to leave the squabs to die of starvation in the nest & nor should others except under dire circumstances. You need to get out down my neck of the woods! Thousands of the blighters around here! By the way nice first post would you like to introduce yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 You need to get out down my neck of the woods! Thousands of the blighters around here! By the way nice first post would you like to introduce yourself? I think he is from the RSPB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerdeor Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Every year there is a good acorn harvest trich raises its head again, and a small number of people panic. For one thing it has nothing to do with shooting, so I have no idea why you thing a closed season would help with this. In fact like most diseases, it spreads more quickly in a larger more dense population, so your suggestion (leaving more birds to enter the winter) could potentially aggravate the situation. Not forgetting the fact that woodpigeons are a serious agricultural pest, which has seen large population increases in spite of shooting pressure in the last 20 years. Next year will not be a mast year, and things will be back to normal, with birds spread throughout the countryside rather than in big blocks of woodland, where they have little requirement to leave throughout the day. In the sixties many more pigeons died from starvation in the winters, when there was not an abundant supply of acorns and beechmast, due to the absence of oil seed rape across the country. 2013 has been one of the biggest acorn years in many years (after a dire year last year), so it's hardly surprising the birds are feasting on them. Given that in your last line you say you never shoot adult birds to leave young to die (presumably you mean you don't shoot in the spring/summer peak breeding season - although woodpigeons do breed throughout the year). It seems to me that you already would like shooting during summer months to stop, and you are (incorrectly) trying to use Trich as an excuse for a reason that doesn't simply exist. If you do not wish to shoot woodpigeons during the summer months, as several members on here would also agree whether for personal, family, fishing etc... then don't, but to try and argue for a closed season by invoking false science because it suits your personal agenda is wrong and misleading. He got told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshiretaxidermy Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Where have all the woodpigeon gone ? Some say in the woods, others say the have migrated across the channel, all say they will be back. I say thousands have died from Trichomonas Gallinae or Canker this autumn. This causes lesions in the throat & digestive tract ,which is why we saw all those sick birds in the autumn. It is spread by a parasite. It gets more common every year. To help combat this, I believe we should have a close season on pigeon shooting in June,July & august, voluntary of course but strongly recommended by BASC & the like. I never shoot adult birds to leave the squabs to die of starvation in the nest & nor should others except under dire circumstances. Shut up dafty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Where have all the woodpigeon gone ? Some say in the woods, others say the have migrated across the channel, all say they will be back. I say thousands have died from Trichomonas Gallinae or Canker this autumn. This causes lesions in the throat & digestive tract ,which is why we saw all those sick birds in the autumn. It is spread by a parasite. It gets more common every year. To help combat this, I believe we should have a close season on pigeon shooting in June,July & august, voluntary of course but strongly recommended by BASC & the like. I never shoot adult birds to leave the squabs to die of starvation in the nest & nor should others except under dire circumstances. first post and talking total utter tosh, bunnage your information is so far from the truth its unreal, firstly as your first post it would of been nice for you to have introduced yourself to the pigeon watch masses but instead have decided to talk about a closed season this only points to one conclusion, you obviously don't shoot over any farmers land if att all because with you attitude towards controlling woodpigeon , there is not a single farmer in the land that would agree with you, not unless you would like to compensate them for the loss of there crop which I doubt you would, believe me you would not be able to talk to any crop farmer I know, excellent first post if daft, and welcome to pigeon watch atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshiretaxidermy Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 On another point, do BASC strongly recommend a close season for pigeons, as evo has insinuated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy bingo Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 evo didn't insinuate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Closed season? I think pigeon shooting all year round should be made compulsory. In fact I am more in favour of that than bringing back national service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshiretaxidermy Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 evo didn't insinuate it oops, bunnage then, sorry evo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Been Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Do you think he`s from that Scum watch ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 so your looking at wood pigeons as a game bird that has a closed season, rather than a pest species, that if you follow the general licence can only be shot for pest control rather than sport, I think you need to re-think your attitude towards shooting, oh and introduce yourself too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 I say thousands have died from Trichomonas Gallinae or Canker this autumn is their a pigeon dying ground somewhere hidden in the hills where pigeons go to die then? as a pest controller, I get monthly reports via mail/e mail and verbal from all over the place, and as yet, nothing about huge piles of dead pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 It must be true, today i saw a dead pigeon on a foot path this is unrefutable evidence that a closed season is required to help bolster pigeon numbers throughout the country.... Oh hang on, no it isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRamsay Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Where have all the woodpigeon gone ? Some say in the woods, others say the have migrated across the channel, all say they will be back. I say thousands have died from Trichomonas Gallinae or Canker this autumn. This causes lesions in the throat & digestive tract ,which is why we saw all those sick birds in the autumn. It is spread by a parasite. It gets more common every year. To help combat this, I believe we should have a close season on pigeon shooting in June,July & august, voluntary of course but strongly recommended by BASC & the like. I never shoot adult birds to leave the squabs to die of starvation in the nest & nor should others except under dire circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 oops, bunnage then, sorry evo. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Sorry Mr farmer I can't shoot any of those nasty pigeons eating all your crop as the season is closed.............!!! Edited December 23, 2013 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I have a personal closed season during the months suggested. By this what I mean is that I dont go out looking for pigeons. However, all my farmers know where I am and I will make a bee line for the field in question and shoot til they stop coming if I get a call at any time of year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Sorry Mr farmer I can't shoot any of those nasty pigeons eating all your crop as it's the season is closed.............!!! I'm sure that some of my farmers would be very sympathetic towards the close season when they are hitting the barley and wheat hard in the summer. (NOT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 A close season for wood pigeons has been suggested many times. The logic of having a close season for a bird classified as vermin is a major stumbling block. The stance of calling for a close season when pigeons are breeding also comes up short as they have been recorded breeding ie nesting and feeding young, in every month of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 A close season for wood pigeons has been suggested many times. The logic of having a close season for a bird classified as vermin is a major stumbling block. The stance of calling for a close season when pigeons are breeding also comes up short as they have been recorded breeding ie nesting and feeding young, in every month of the year. Yes, I've seen them breeding this month.... Anyway, I have a farmer who has promised me £1,000.000 when I shoot the last UK pigeon, so keep up the good work!! I'll share it with you...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I believe we should have a close season on pigeon shooting in June,July & august, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha , ERRRRRRRRRRRR thats the time when we need to hit them the hardest, the time when they are doing the most damage CUCKOO,CUCKOO, COOCKOO. Sandwich short of a picnic, brick short of a load etc etc etc, You obviously dont shoot live game do you mate??? I'm just going out know to make sure that the back wheels on my car follow the front ones, ATB Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 just viewed his profile....hasnt filled it in...does say "Bunnage hasnt any friends yet".......oohhh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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