Kes Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Thanks for all the input chaps, and thanks for that link Rupert very useful. a lot of very varied theories here. I will just have to see if/what the postman brings. Suprised no one here has been done on that same stretch it's the main commute from lincolnshire into Hull. Thats why then - who goes to Hull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted March 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Thats why then - who goes to Hull? Nowt wrong with Hull fella, city of culture 2017 don't you know , home to 2 top shotgun cartridge manufacturers etc etc. your probably right though don't think many have desire to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) I always thought it was 60 on duel carriageways, car that is.?. Edited March 28, 2014 by subsonicnat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I always thought it was 60 on duel carriageways, car that is.?. Where people get stuck on this issue is what constitutes a dual carriageway. If it is a road with no matter how many lanes, and there is no barrier or curb in the middle between you and oncoming traffic - then it is single carriageway. Dual Carriageway is when you have a curb or barrier in between. The number of lanes in any direction is irrelevant. National speed limit is where you see the white circle with a black line through it - and if it is single carriageway, then 60mph, and if a dual carriageway - 70mph. There are exceptions, but for cars that is what it is. It was incredible how many people (including me) didn't know this on both speed awareness courses I went on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAYBURN Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Dual Carriageway 60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Ok so I'm probably going to show my age now but when I passed my test there were two classes of duel carriageway one with central reservation but no barrier 60mph and with barrier 70mph for cars/car derived vans. 50 and 60 for upto and including 7.5 tonnes. So I've just looked and the former seems to have gone from the highway code. Edited March 29, 2014 by sonicdmb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza9t9 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Where people get stuck on this issue is what constitutes a dual carriageway. If it is a road with no matter how many lanes, and there is no barrier or curb in the middle between you and oncoming traffic - then it is single carriageway. Dual Carriageway is when you have a curb or barrier in between. The number of lanes in any direction is irrelevant. National speed limit is where you see the white circle with a black line through it - and if it is single carriageway, then 60mph, and if a dual carriageway - 70mph. There are exceptions, but for cars that is what it is. It was incredible how many people (including me) didn't know this on both speed awareness courses I went on. This is correct however don't need to be a barrier or curb anything that separates the carriage ways, patch of grass, however there is generally a curb involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyTed Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I find it frightening how little drivers know of the highway code reading from this thread. Please buy a copy or look at it online before posting - this post is providing good ammunition for refresher testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajm1979 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I Knew about some of this but having just looked at the link above would appear my l200 and most other pick ups should have to abide by van speed limits rather than the car ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 When photographed a few months ago I was doing 49 in a 40 limit on Dual Carriageway, luckily I was offered the Speed Awareness Course. Surprisingly the penalty was 3 points and a £100:00 fine, but the SAC was only £87:00! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I Knew about some of this but having just looked at the link above would appear my l200 and most other pick ups should have to abide by van speed limits rather than the car ones! You do indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 When photographed a few months ago I was doing 49 in a 40 limit on Dual Carriageway, luckily I was offered the Speed Awareness Course. Surprisingly the penalty was 3 points and a £100:00 fine, but the SAC was only £87:00! Et tu, Brutus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyTed Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 I Knew about some of this but having just looked at the link above would appear my l200 and most other pick ups should have to abide by van speed limits rather than the car ones! If it's a double cab, with the rear seats fitted, it is classified as a dual purpose vehicle and subject to car speed limits. However, I understand that you cannot park anything larger than a car or car derived van on any road without lights unless in a marked parking bay. Something else for pick-up owners to be aware of; although I've yet to hear of it being enforced. This is according to the FTA Yearbook of Road Transport Law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Dual Carriageway 60 That's what I always thought.... Then I went on a speed awareness course (for doing 34 in 30 zone!) and was surprised and pleased to be informed that it is indeed 70 - unless there are specific speed limit signs to the contrary. I also learned that, by law, everyone is supposed to have read and kept themselves up to date with the HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Most fixed cameras don't work trust me on that because I have no points on my licence at all! If it was a van and if parked on a verge they need a closure notice from the council for the bit of land they are operating from, also with mobile vans they are usually operated by the council and are labelled " working with so and so police force" , they look like police vehicles but they are not and the small print says unless its a fixed Gatso camera then a serving on duty police officer must be present to witness the offence , otherwise we could all go buy a van and send people out tickets demanding money and would have no use for policemen ! So for vans always ask for the police officers number who was present at the time of the alleged offence and witnessed it , which they can't supply (they will give you a load of tosh about not providing personal info but it's the officers number you are asking for not their personal info) Also with a NIP ( notice of intended prosecution) they have 14 days from the date of offence to serve you notice or it's not valid , I could add that none of the cameras seem to work over a certain mph.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 don't think you will get a chance to do the speed awareness ,wot was the speed limit if you can roll a ball over the road and it is stopped by a barrier of some sort it is a 70 if it was to roll over to the other side it's a 50 haha sounds exactly the same advice I had on my 'naughty driver course' too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA-airgunner Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 According to this https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits 70mph on dual carriageways Cars and vehicles (including dual-purpose vehicles and car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclestuffy Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 I got flashed on the A1 doing 81 mpg and attended the driver safety course. The leaflet from the police said you could do the course if you were under 10% of the speed limit plus 8 pmh so on the motorway 7 and 8 = 15 therefore up to 85mpg However on the course was someone who go stopped for doing 31 mpg next to a school!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 I thought speed was measured in miles per hour (MPH) not miles per gallon (MPG) so you will be safe - no problem with 81 mpg - good for the environment. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 I thought speed was measured in miles per hour (MPH) not miles per gallon (MPG) so you will be safe - no problem with 81 mpg - good for the environment. Cheers colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 However on the course was someone who go stopped for doing 31 mpg next to a school!!! Probably a 20 zone like most schools so actually massively over the limit! I got 34 in a 30 and SAC, 35 would have been straight points Enjoyed the SAC and did learn a bit including how to tell the diff between single and duel carriageways and it is as said if there is a separation between the carriageways whether kerb, grass, barrier etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil3728 Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I've just been on a speed awareness course, I was done for 35 in a 30 zone small village, the letter started they were giving speed awareness course for anyone doing upto 42mph in the 30 mph zone. Interesting course, didn't learn that much just 4 hrs out of the day you don't get back, the course was £92 compares with £100 fine and 3 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I've just been on a speed awareness course, I was done for 35 in a 30 zone small village, the letter started they were giving speed awareness course for anyone doing upto 42mph in the 30 mph zone. Interesting course, didn't learn that much just 4 hrs out of the day you don't get back, the course was £92 compares with £100 fine and 3 points. There were plenty of people learnt something on the one i was on, there was only me, a truck driver and a boy racer who could tell the course bloke the correct speed limits for a car on a national speed limit/unrestricted single, dual carriageway and motorway out of a class of 25!! And looking at some of the replies on here these courses should be compulsory! No wonder there's always a nugget sitting in the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 60mph, or dwaddling along at 40mph on a NS single carriageway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 van mate renault kangoo. does it make a difference? Vans are 10mph lower limit so if you were in 70 limit van is 60 , a mate works for a contractor and got caught in van , only exception is if it has windows all round its not classed as a van . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil3728 Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 There were plenty of people learnt something on the one i was on, there was only me, a truck driver and a boy racer who could tell the course bloke the correct speed limits for a car on a national speed limit/unrestricted single, dual carriageway and motorway out of a class of 25!! And looking at some of the replies on here these courses should be compulsory! No wonder there's always a nugget sitting in the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 60mph, or dwaddling along at 40mph on a NS single carriageway That's true, there was a few people looking rather sheepish at not knowing the speed limits on my course. I just knew all the answers. Still didn't help me getting caught. I know it's a speed awareness course but there is so much scope to bring other things into the course and make it compulsory part of the driving test. Or at least make everyone sit it every 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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