955i Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 So, a week ago travellers moved to a brownfield site near me, since then we have had two shop owners assaulted and their takings stolen, 17 incidences of car theft and today (witnessed by me) illegal hunting with an un-moderated rifle. Rang the police to be told 'we are aware of them but there are procedures that we have to go through'. What the **** just get rid of the ***** ******** EDIT: What, so ***** is now banned on here as well??? No wonder we don't have a voice, we are moderated into insignificance!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Its just coincidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 No doubt the rifle was unlicensed too. Must be nice to be above the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Sorry Ethnic minority, nothing you can do or you'll be a racist !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 i rang the bill about a ford ranger hare coursing on my old perm with get this NO number plates front n back .they sent the area car about 4/5 hours later and rang to say theres no one there.really inspector clueless ,you come out after how many hours and theres no one there.this country has no testicles any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 i rang the bill about a ford ranger hare coursing on my old perm with get this NO number plates front n back .they sent the area car about 4/5 hours later and rang to say theres no one there.really inspector clueless ,you come out after how many hours and theres no one there.this country has no testicles any more Just ring up and tell them you shot them. They will be out in minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Just ring up and tell them you shot them. They will be out in minutes. Just don't do it in their backs the police aren't too bothered then as makes paperwork easy...self defence and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Just tell the police you've shot them and then cut off the phone. When the police arrive in about 30 seconds show them the picture you've taken on your phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Hammer some 6 inch nails into some lengths of 2x2 and leave them in the gate ways. Of course you need to inform Mr farmer and don't forget were you put them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Why do the police seem not to show interest? Is it too much paperwork? / not enough evidence? It's not like one force is like it, all seem like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Why do the police seem not to show interest? Is it too much paperwork? / not enough evidence? It's not like one force is like it, all seem like it. They show no interest with travellers my way because there basically scared of them . They know what there up to etc , but won't even go into the sites tackle them about stolen goods just let them carry on flouting the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 They show no interest with travellers my way because there basically scared of them . They know what there up to etc , but won't even go into the sites tackle them about stolen goods just let them carry on flouting the law I suspect that might be only partly correct, mixed with minimal staff levels and risk assessment, but it's almost pointless getting involved when there is nowhere to send the summons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 995i the procedures they are on about will be in relation to evicting and moving them on. They know full well what the police and local authority can and can't do which is why they usually move of their own accord after so many days. As for the crime can you honestly say that the 17 stolen cars are the responsibility of them or just a coincidence. In my experience that would be a bit unusual. Fruity I can assure you they are not ignored and we are certainly not scared of them. Having been on every site in your area many times for lots of different reasons I do know what I'm talking about. I've always found that if you show them a bit of respect and explain the situation you get no trouble, much like anyone else really. I think most of the problem is the public expectation of what we can and can't do is wrong. The laws that protect you also protect them. We can't just rock up and start searching people's homes on the say so of some disgruntled locals who are ****** off that the village green is being used as a camp site. Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Why do the police seem not to show interest? Is it too much paperwork? / not enough evidence? It's not like one force is like it, all seem like it. Its to do with the fact that they feel they can't win I suspect. The travellers are able to run rings round the police How do you sent a court summons to somebody who hasn't got a permanent address, for example? Edited June 20, 2015 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pothunter Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 995i the procedures they are on about will be in relation to evicting and moving them on. They know full well what the police and local authority can and can't do which is why they usually move of their own accord after so many days. As for the crime can you honestly say that the 17 stolen cars are the responsibility of them or just a coincidence. In my experience that would be a bit unusual. Fruity I can assure you they are not ignored and we are certainly not scared of them. Having been on every site in your area many times for lots of different reasons I do know what I'm talking about. I've always found that if you show them a bit of respect and explain the situation you get no trouble, much like anyone else really. I think most of the problem is the public expectation of what we can and can't do is wrong. The laws that protect you also protect them. We can't just rock up and start searching people's homes on the say so of some disgruntled locals who are ****** off that the village green is being used as a camp site. Harry Sounds about right to me. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 It's not surprising, not so long ago a program on travellers had them poaching deer with dogs, poaching with a air rifle & child abuse, & guess what...SFA done about it.. ..or did I miss that bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 995i the procedures they are on about will be in relation to evicting and moving them on. They know full well what the police and local authority can and can't do which is why they usually move of their own accord after so many days. As for the crime can you honestly say that the 17 stolen cars are the responsibility of them or just a coincidence. In my experience that would be a bit unusual. Fruity I can assure you they are not ignored and we are certainly not scared of them. Having been on every site in your area many times for lots of different reasons I do know what I'm talking about. I've always found that if you show them a bit of respect and explain the situation you get no trouble, much like anyone else really. I think most of the problem is the public expectation of what we can and can't do is wrong. The laws that protect you also protect them. We can't just rock up and start searching people's homes on the say so of some disgruntled locals who are ****** off that the village green is being used as a camp site. Harry That makes sense and is fair but what about the case of the OP who witnessed the use of an (unmoderated) rifle? Is a license assumed and is permission to shoot assumed or worth checking out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 995i the procedures they are on about will be in relation to evicting and moving them on. They know full well what the police and local authority can and can't do which is why they usually move of their own accord after so many days. As for the crime can you honestly say that the 17 stolen cars are the responsibility of them or just a coincidence. In my experience that would be a bit unusual. Fruity I can assure you they are not ignored and we are certainly not scared of them. Having been on every site in your area many times for lots of different reasons I do know what I'm talking about. I've always found that if you show them a bit of respect and explain the situation you get no trouble, much like anyone else really. I think most of the problem is the public expectation of what we can and can't do is wrong. The laws that protect you also protect them. We can't just rock up and start searching people's homes on the say so of some disgruntled locals who are ****** off that the village green is being used as a camp site. Harry Really Even when you can see the stolen item from a railway embankment, and the police still will not go in the yard ? Bit of a fairy story being told here me thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 995i the procedures they are on about will be in relation to evicting and moving them on. They know full well what the police and local authority can and can't do which is why they usually move of their own accord after so many days. As for the crime can you honestly say that the 17 stolen cars are the responsibility of them or just a coincidence. In my experience that would be a bit unusual. Fruity I can assure you they are not ignored and we are certainly not scared of them. Having been on every site in your area many times for lots of different reasons I do know what I'm talking about. I've always found that if you show them a bit of respect and explain the situation you get no trouble, much like anyone else really. I think most of the problem is the public expectation of what we can and can't do is wrong. The laws that protect you also protect them. We can't just rock up and start searching people's homes on the say so of some disgruntled locals who are ****** off that the village green is being used as a camp site. Harry Something of an institutionalised response. The majority of complaints are not about the fact they are camped where they should not be and most people are fully aware from years of media news that there are "procedures" to be followed in order to evict them. What grates most with the general public is the lawbreaking travellers (oh how I hate that euphemism for *****) and that little or nothing is done about that aspect of their behaviour. Of course the police cannot just roll up and search vans but they can get warrants like they would against the general public. And they can run vehicle checks for tax and insurance offences as they correctly do against the general public, possibly seizing vehicles where necessary. But the fact of the matter is the general perception that nothing is done against their crime breaking. Often travellers camp in the surrounding area of where I shoot. Their reputation is such that my permission has told me that if I find them on any of his farms that I report to him but take no direct action as their retaliation would be disproportionate with little prospect of meaningful support by the appropriate authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 i cant see this thread staying open..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) and today (witnessed by me) illegal hunting with an un-moderated rifle. The amount of members on here that have been approached by police firearms whilst out pigeon shooting you would have thought what is quoted above would have at least gained the same response... Edited June 20, 2015 by Bazooka Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 When travellers invade a pitch do the police do anything about them using the site as a toilet, or throwing rubbish everywhere, or collecting scrap without a licence for that area, or urinating in a public space, or dangerous dogs, or causing damage to the ground, or breaking gates open, etc, etc. All this would see me being fined and probably cause a lot of hassle with my FAC. There would be no waiting for court orders, I would just be arrested on the spot. And the police aren't frightened of them ?? Tell me another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Im not anti traveller I get on with a few of them well even know some who is sgc owners to but are settled down. But what made me laugh the other month in my local village well known gypsy and cash machine robber where they take the whole machine from the bank wall he is serving a prison sentence police went to raid his property for ill goren gains while he is in prison,only his wife and two boys under 10 live there here the joke property is less than half an acre they raided it with 140 police officers no joke either 140 people to turn up to a wife and two boys now tell me the police not scared Edited June 20, 2015 by littlerob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 What grates most with the general public is the lawbreaking travellers (oh how I hate that euphemism for *****) and that little or nothing is done about that aspect of their behaviour. Of course the police cannot just roll up and search vans but they can get warrants like they would against the general public. And they can run vehicle checks for tax and insurance offences as they correctly do against the general public, possibly seizing vehicles where necessary. But the fact of the matter is the general perception that nothing is done against their crime breaking. Exactly my thoughts ... Constant drink driving .. Considerably higher diesel theft in the area . Tools being stolen .. Plant trailers stolen ... The general crime goes up when there about .. The don't get all the flashy cars,van and 4x4 from doing a bit of block paving I know that much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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