Wingman Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Got my Winchester select out today to check it over and clean as I won't be using it for a while. I noticed that there seems to be quite a bit of what looks to me like fouling just in front of the chambers in the forcing cone area. The gun has only had 200 cartridges through it and always fibre wad usually Eley Firsts the gun was brand new when I got it. I gave it a good soak of some Ed's Red solvent and ran patch after patch through it they still came out with some black on them. Gave it another squirt of Ed's red and then went to work with my bronze brush fouling better but still there. This time I gave it a good soaking and left it alone for about 30 mins. An hour of scrubbing later and the patches ran clean but some fouling remains! At this point frustration got the better of me and i oiled the bore and put it back in the cabinet!! So not sure what to do I could try a Galway brush but I really can't see that would shift it if my previous attempts didn't and having got through nearly a quarter of a bottle of noxious Ed's red I am a bit surprised it hasn't shifted it! I hope it's not something serious like rust beginning to form or the chrome lining coming away (not even sure if this possible) as I have always cleaned it and all my guns religiously. Really surprised as this gun has only ever had fibre wads through it so it can't be plastic fouling. So can anyone offer any advice or comments etc on what to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 My advice, don't worry about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMoody3 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Last time I cleaned mine after shooting I noticed the exact same thing, actually I think it was after shooting at valley view with you. Gave it a good scrub with the bronze brush and eventually it all came off, but it took time and a lot of effort lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted December 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Valley View was the last outing as well! Could be the Eleys but I have never had fouling like this with fibre wads! Agree about leaving it but I just can't see how it can be so tough to shift!! Edited December 30, 2015 by Wingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stimo22 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 You will find that it is the Eleu first cartridges, we used to sell at the clay club but got so many complaints that we stopped. One local gun shop sent a load back because everybody complained The deposits should come out with brush and solvents and swop cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 What a pain eh? Never used eley first and I don't think I will be after reading this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Get a chamber brush. They are a bit bigger. I get the same sometimes if I use a lot of plastic wads. 5 mins (or 30 secomds more like) of chamber brush action and both barrels shine like mirrors. A bore brush doesn't quite get thr bit in front of the chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted December 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Given the last time I shot the gun it was with the Eleys I won't use them again, although I am still surprised that a modern cartridge can leave fouling so bad! Will have to leave it for now as I won't get a chance to clean it again for a while. May try the chamber brush approach or some fine wire wool. Next outing is with my trusty side by side so I won't stress about it for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 I also have had the same problem when using Eley First cartridges - I removed the fowling with a chamber brush and Napier Bore Cleaner. I won't use that brand of cartridge again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Couple of passes with a turks head will remove it.It`ll be leading from Eley shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourer103 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 hi,use the payne galloway first, and if that doesnt shift it use one of the new helical brushes they seem to work, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourer103 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 ps, i think Webber posted the helical brushes on PW a few weeks back, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted December 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 I have a tornado brush seems a bit harsh to use worried it could damage the bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Lead, it will be lead. Pour boiling water down the barrels. Don't forget to hold them with a towel and use a bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted December 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Any idea why these Eleys seem to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Softer lead perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Shoot some other make fiber wads through the gun and let them remove the fouling for you,it's what I done now my gun is easy to clean again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 It's normally the plastic wads melting a bit to the barrels. Wd40 and a chamber brush and it's off in seconds, no need to attach a drill or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del T Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 The firsts are a very dirty cartridge. We used to use them but they were so dirty and a pig of a job to clean the barrels afterwards we stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 When servicing guns I always polish the bores . It is surprising just how much leading comes out of apparently clean barrels , both from the chamber cones and the chokes . Multi chokes also seem to get a larger than expected build up . I though this was a thing of the past but it seems to be a growing occurrence so I assume it is softer lead being used . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Everyone seems to be calling the Eley Selects. Now i'm wondering if everyone is refering to the "New" Eley First Selects or the old Eley Firsts which i admit i was never a fan of. The reason i ask is because i've been using the new Eley First Selects of late and find them one of the cleanest and smoothest shooting budget clay cartridges out there if i'm honest. I bought 750 plastic and 250 fibre and never have a problem cleaning my Ceaser Guerini. These new First selects are a 65mm case as well by the way. Just curious because like i say i'm finding these cartridges very good with excellent patterns and consistent breaks ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Get a chamber brush. They are a bit bigger. I get the same sometimes if I use a lot of plastic wads. 5 mins (or 30 secomds more like) of chamber brush action and both barrels shine like mirrors. A bore brush doesn't quite get thr bit in front of the chamber. totally agree with this..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Leading is normal, just use a bit of Hoppes or 009 and let it soak for a while, but don't worry about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted December 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Sorry not the best but picture of the carts attached. These are the only Eleys I have ever used Edited December 31, 2015 by Wingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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