Dr D Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35236630 Obama is going to override congress to introduce some gun control. Is he doing the right thing? The 2nd amendment. Yes or No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 No! Complete waste of time.I'd reckon the yanks are out buying all they can afford . Never take guns from the criminals.ain't going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) sums it up ://youtu.be/zsl_rJMw748 Edited January 5, 2016 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 They democratically voted against it so he's going to use his powers as president to force it on them ? Sounds very good that eh ?! I'm sure all the criminals buying their guns from black markets etc will still be well armed and equipped, and like our own laws mostly just affect us , the law abiding! Should the rights of millions be affected to protect from a small minority is the real question ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 Doesn't matter what he does, te next govt will overturn it. Plus the American system is so full of holes it won't be enforced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 Doesn't matter what he does, te next govt will overturn it. Plus the American system is so full of holes it won't be enforced this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 He appears to be trying to be seen to take action. It won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 Part of an underhand agenda perhaps? Laying the foundations for the next president to arrive gracefully and overturn the decision to win favour. Who knows, but it won't make a bit of difference on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 The right to keep and bear arms was based on the ability to raise a Militia not what is happening now. Just how open ended that interpretation can be pushed to is anybody's guess. You have to wonder bacause a lot of things are changing in American society and not for the better. Chinese imported goods are wiping out one industry after another and they have nothing to replace the lost income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think the point he is making is a valid one. The guns used in the mass school type killings are usually legally owned, nit black market guns habitual criminals use. There is logic in trying to have some checks on who is allowed to own what. The real problem they have however is a medical one. Every person who commits these mass shootings is mentally ill. If their healthcare system was a little more accessible and a little more integrated with the law enforcement community many of these things could be avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallshort Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think the point he is making is a valid one. The guns used in the mass school type killings are usually legally owned, nit black market guns habitual criminals use. There is logic in trying to have some checks on who is allowed to own what. The real problem they have however is a medical one. Every person who commits these mass shootings is mentally ill. If their healthcare system was a little more accessible and a little more integrated with the law enforcement community many of these things could be avoided. It goes a bit deeper, all western cultures including the UK and US have massive problems with subscription anti depressents, add to that a big portion of gun related deaths in the US are suicides the right to own a firearm seems to be fuelling a serious mental health problem they have in the USA. As a responsible UK gun owner I think its crazy that there isnt tighter back ground checks in the US given the amount of firearms in the market place. If I was in the US and went hunting and shooting I would hate the bad publisity these mass shootings were bringing to my sport and would be demanding the NRA lobbied congress for tighter control, surely its the responsible thing to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Only in America could would be jihadists be banned from flying but allowed by Congress the right to buy guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 The NRA are a bunch of nuts, there answer in combating school shootings was "eh well arm teachers" Dont know what the answer to the problem in America is but something needs to be done! Would hate to see laws like theirs in the UK, any tightening of laws in the States can only be a good thing regardless of what it will or will not achieve, What we have to remember here in the UK is the anti's and the general public have a vision of mass shootings happening in the UK. However our risks are lower due to the fact we are vetted & not allowed to just walk into a WallMart (ASDA) and buy an assault rifle along with a loaf of bread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 No you can't buy an assault rifle inWalmart - you can buy a 10 round shotgun and ammo. you have to go another 200yds down the road for the assault rifle and a handgun or two. At least inPortland Oregon! Wife staggered we could buy 250 shells with our groceries which we did without anyone raising an eyebrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 No you can't buy an assault rifle inWalmart - you can buy a 10 round shotgun and ammo. you have to go another 200yds down the road for the assault rifle and a handgun or two. At least inPortland Oregon! Wife staggered we could buy 250 shells with our groceries which we did without anyone raising an eyebrow. Yes but my friend Jim who lived in the midwest was in my car over her one day about fifteen years back when we stopped to fill up at a petrol station. He was amazed that they sold booze in a "gas station" so much so that he went back to the car, got his camera and took a photo. Different worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Wife staggered we could buy 250 shells with our groceries which we did without anyone raising an eyebrow. Result - your hobby can be paid for out of the housekeeping budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny thomas Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 What is the world coming to when an American has to produce a driving licence to buy a gun whatever next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) The right to keep and bear arms was based on the ability to raise a Militia not what is happening now. Just how open ended that interpretation can be pushed to is anybody's guess. You have to wonder bacause a lot of things are changing in American society and not for the better. Chinese imported goods are wiping out one industry after another and they have nothing to replace the lost income. They are using it to raise militias! https://www.rt.com/usa/327762-armed-bundy-militia-oregon-ranchers/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/oregon-occupation-armed-militia-occupying-wildlife-reserve-wants-to-overthrow-us-government-says-a6795391.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3382511/Militiamen-federal-wildlife-refuge-Oregon-anti-government-rally-support-two-ranchers-heading-jail-arson.html http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/04/oregon-militia-occupying-wildlife-refuge-wants-to-overthrow-government-says-sheriff http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html All nice and constitutional like... Edited January 6, 2016 by secretagentmole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 The right to keep and bear arms was based on the ability to raise a Militia not what is happening now. Just how open ended that interpretation can be pushed to is anybody's guess. You have to wonder bacause a lot of things are changing in American society and not for the better. Chinese imported goods are wiping out one industry after another and they have nothing to replace the lost income. And like us, they complain about Chinese imports but still want cheap goods so it goes on...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 It won't make any difference but they must keep chipping away at some kind of action on the spree killings - The mental health angle is definitely a part of it, but also the huge amount of exposure killers get. I forget where I read it over christmas but some boffin had concluded that most spree killings are fueled by feelings of helplessness at a situation and when they are constantly bombarded with blanket coverage of every nutter who destroys some lives and think 'thats how I get my revenge, that's will show them' Personally I don't see it changing any time soon though - sadly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) I think he is right in some ways to take a stand and raise himself beyond the manipulation of hugely powerful political lobby groups. It is probably only an outgoing president of two terms who could take such a step as anyone who is still trying to get to the top of the ladder would be scuppered. Setting aside the practicalities of what he is trying to achieve and how effective that will be I think he has taken a major step in establishing precedent where the Commander in Chief can and does act using their executive authority to move beyond the political mechanisms that render the US government impotent in so many ways. Setting aside the issue at hand, if you consider the 2 or 3 times in the last 3 years when the US was at near economic crisis, when their money ran out, the inability of government to take action was remarkable. Without getting into complex economic argument on the efficacy of the path they chose, had they not done anything that would have been a very real problem for tens of millions Americans in their everyday lives, yet it was being turned into a game of political football and brinksmanship. The unilateral action by Obama in this case maybe takes a step toward rebalancing what government should be about instead of what it has become. The US has an undoubted problem with gun crime, personally I think the answer is much more cultural than a legislative control issue, I don't think that what he is proposing is radical or unreasonable and sadly I don't think it will have a meaningful impact in itself in addressing the problem, but I think it could be the catalyst toward a change. Edited January 6, 2016 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 If the Americans can be guaranteed to be up-in-arms about anything, what will most provoke a response is using any excuse for circumventing the constitution no matter how superficially noteworthy, as justification for curtailing their constitutional rights, and therefore turning their valued democracy into a tin pot dictatorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daithi Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 this is well worth a alisten.. i was listening to it on the way home from work yesterday.. it just shows you the mentality of some americans.. they sound like they are in gun fights once a week the way there going on.. fast forward to 11 minutes http://www.todayfm.com/player/listen_back/7/25964/05th_January_2016_-_The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper_Part_1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Dr D. Shot show takes place in Las Vegas this month..... Last year record sales of combat weapons.... Will it happen again this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted January 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I think Obama is absolutely genuine on this issue. The problem is that the culture of gun ownership is so engrained in swathes of the usa that there is no hope of introducing what most other western democracies would consider reasonable restrictions. I fear many of the opinions on this thread are probably on the money. There will be nothing worthwhile achieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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