Footu Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 I asked around 60 people,about 5 in, 20 undecided rest out. If this actually gets voted stay I really think it's rigged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 i am more and more inclined to vote leave i have had a good look at both sides and i think we need to move on the benefits for leaving tip it for me, its not a slam dunk still good points of an EU, i just hope the leave / go teams dont trip each other up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 I was interested in this and a quick search found quite a bit online. Apparently the US versions (and possibly the Canadian and Australian ones too) are assembled in Mexico, not Germany, and they have a lower basic spec. Plus the US market is massive compared to the UK so simple economies of scale play a part. Another big factor is that the US car market is very competitive with many people naturally gravitating towards home grown companies rather than foreign makes so price incentives are needed. I think in the end though, they will charge what they can get away with. Interestingly though, the UK has some of the lowest prices for used cars in Europe. The spec' doesn't account for the vast difference in pricing and the basic engine, chassis & transmission are identical. Also, Canada and Australia aren't vast markets yet their prices are significantly lower. One of the reasons why UK second hand prices are so low is that the turnover is greater. In many European countries they tend to keep their cars for a lot longer. Also, I have noticed that in France the dealers do not devalue their cars in the same way that UK dealers do. When I was in the car trade we would reduce the price of second hand cars after a couple of months and then periodically taking into account the depreciation suggested by Glass's Guide. In one of our local towns there is a BMW sports car on the forecourt that has been there at least 7 years to my knowledge and is still the same price as when it first went on sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I have just come from a small dinner of senior city professionals, partners in city law firms and some more junior city lawyers. The city professionals favoured out. They were typically aged 50 or more. The lawyer partners wouldn't say (they will only say whatever the client wants). However they were predicting an out vote. They were mid 40 upwards. The junior lawyers favoured in. They were typically 30'ish or less. That general attitude mirrors what I've found, the younger they are (young professionals that is) the more likely they are to be 'in'. Many genuinely fear a Franco-German style WW3 if the EU collapses and some see the perception of security as the main (and only) reason to stay in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 That general attitude mirrors what I've found, the younger they are (young professionals that is) the more likely they are to be 'in'. Many genuinely fear a Franco-German style WW3 if the EU collapses and some see the perception of security as the main (and only) reason to stay in. Do they not know of the existence of NATO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Do they not know of the existence of NATO? They don't like the US connection it would seem. Weird how they are thinking really. Going back to the arguments for and against, I still have yet to come across a cogent reason to stay in that isn't based on fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Saw the "unbiased" coverage on BBC breakfast this morning. Not a mention of immigration again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Watching the coverage over recent weeks it becomes clear the BBC are not reporting on an in/out campaign but are brainwashing the public into voting to stay in the EU!.........they are nothing more than unashamedly biased government propagandists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) I have just come from a small dinner of senior city professionals, partners in city law firms and some more junior city lawyers. The city professionals favoured out. They were typically aged 50 or more. The lawyer partners wouldn't say (they will only say whatever the client wants). However they were predicting an out vote. They were mid 40 upwards. The junior lawyers favoured in. They were typically 30'ish or less. My now-retired solicitor once told me that 'we lawyers always do better with a Labour Government' so, as the EUSR is all about Socialism, I'm not surprised by your post regarding lawyers. Edited April 20, 2016 by rjimmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 They don't like the US connection it would seem. Weird how they are thinking really. Going back to the arguments for and against, I still have yet to come across a cogent reason to stay in that isn't based on fear. Yes.. a bit like this scare tactic.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/eu-referendum-reality-check-uk-households-worse-off-brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Yes.. a bit like this scare tactic.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/eu-referendum-reality-check-uk-households-worse-off-brexit Thats an interesting read,especially from a typical pro EU mouthpiece like the Guardian,perhaps they are having a change of heart? Also the treasury predictions are based on net immigration going down,so less taxes = less money for the exchequer ?! A strange sum based on assuming migrants paying taxes as they should. To put it in simple terms,the treasury says each household with be precisely £4300 worse off per annum by 2030 because we will have less net migrants paying tax,and spending money,so less GDP. They dont even counter in the savings in public services like the NHS and the benefits system or EU payments. Its about time both sides admitted they dont really know what will happen in a Brexit. The remain group keeps rattling on about what 'will' happen if we leave,when its very very clear they dont know what theyre talking about. I dont know what will happen if we leave,but I definitely know what will happen if we stay,and its not pretty. So I hope people will engage their brains,take a chance,and make it work. Edited April 20, 2016 by Rewulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Around 85 pence a day for the next 14 years or around £310 per year. I might just up my savings plan to off set it and I will of course have to consider inflation etc. a joke ! How much do we currently, as a country pay daily into the bank of the EU ? How much do we get back as a country from them daily ? How does that equate to a household per year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I asked around 60 people,about 5 in, 20 undecided rest out. If this actually gets voted stay I really think it's rigged. How many Foreign nationals have you asked as it appears they can vote if they live here NationalityYou qualify to register to vote if you are: a British citizen an EU citizen resident in the UK a qualifying Commonwealth citizen resident in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 <p> How many Foreign nationals have you asked as it appears they can vote if they live here Nationality You qualify to register to vote if you are: a British citizen an EU citizen resident in the UK a qualifying Commonwealth citizen resident in the UK That is true for local elections but not for the referendum I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 <p> How many Foreign nationals have you asked as it appears they can vote if they live here Nationality You qualify to register to vote if you are: a British citizen an EU citizen resident in the UK a qualifying Commonwealth citizen resident in the UK Well point 2 is going to be an issue to the out campaign.. Cant see that group voting out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) This is what the BBC say From this page http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887 So it seems that most of the immigrants cant vote, phew Who will be able to vote? British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK, along with UK nationals living abroad who have been on the electoral register in the UK in the past 15 years. Members of the House of Lords and Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar will also be eligible, unlike in a general election. Citizens from EU countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote. Edited April 20, 2016 by sportsbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neillfrbs Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 thank god for that then thats all we need 200000 polish voting to stay in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 The problem is that there are over 300,000 ex-pats living in Spain, France and Cyprus according to some figures. If they have been over there less than fifteen years they can register to vote in this referendum. Many will vote to remain as their pensions and health cover will be guaranteed. If the UK leaves all pensioners in EU countries will come under the same rules as those in non EU countries and old age pensions will not be enhanced by cost of living increases. There is also a big question mark over the health cover that is currently guaranteed within the EU. I reckon at least 100,000, possibly double will vote to remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) This is what the BBC say From this page http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887 So it seems that most of the immigrants cant vote, phew Who will be able to vote? British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK, along with UK nationals living abroad who have been on the electoral register in the UK in the past 15 years. Members of the House of Lords and Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar will also be eligible, unlike in a general election. Citizens from EU countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote. Yes but nobody will be able to regulate it because nobody checks it. They might not be elegible to vote but that doesn't mean they won't. The electoral register just contains everybody's name and age, so good luck with that one! It would be to the government's advantage if they did vote. (wink wink) They couldn't even control the thousands of imaginary voters with postal votes that were loaded on the system in places like Birmingham and Tower Hamlets to rig the local elections despite everybody knowing it was going on . The electoral system in Britain is not fit for purpose, its wide open to abuse Edited April 21, 2016 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Seems Obama is about to visit our shores and put his oar in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I can see us ending up still in together with Germany, Poland,Greece and Turkey after everyone else has left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I can see us ending up still in together with Germany, Poland,Greece and Turkey after everyone else has left. Why? Turkey isnt even in it yet,plus it isnt just some of the UK that have issues with the EU and its idiotic policies. There are anti EU groups in a lot of EU countries,usually the ones that are propping up financially the rest of the bloc. Or the ones bearing the brunt of the EU s totally stupid immigration policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Seems Obama is about to visit our shores and put his oar in the water. You mean Barack Hussein Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Why? Turkey isnt even in it yet,plus it isnt just some of the UK that have issues with the EU and its idiotic policies. There are anti EU groups in a lot of EU countries,usually the ones that are propping up financially the rest of the bloc. Or the ones bearing the brunt of the EU s totally stupid AND UNSUSTAINABLE immigration policy. Sorry, just needed two extra words! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 You mean Barack Hussein Obama? What do you mean by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts