wabbit warren Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Hi has anyone used this cartridge ? i bought a slab to use but every one i chat to doesnt rate them game shooters lol please give me feed back on them cheers ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) Used my first box of them roost shooting a couple of weeks ago. Hit 5 birds, all 5 were runners. Switched back to the Eley 32g 6.5 pigeon variety and they all start dropping down dead again. Haven't really favoured using them again since but obviously from just one session I can't give a cast iron opinion. The writing is on the wall however... Beginning to understand why Eley have upped the price of the existing "pigeon" shells in 30 and 32 gram 6.5s, and introduced these "pigeon select" at roughly the former price of the originals. They must be saving money on something which is making them perform differently. Or am I being too cynical? Edited February 24, 2016 by Jim Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 I,ve used then, had to change the chokes to full and 3/4 but they seem to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 I,ve used then, had to change the chokes to full and 3/4 but they seem to work My findings too when roost shooting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 That's interesting, might have to remember to take my spare chokes out next time and give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adzyvilla Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 ive been hitting consistently with them and was pleased initially, but have also noticed the number of runners increasing too. I need to shoot a little more with these carts before i'm certain its not me as the gun i'm using is new to me too. Better than in D&Js I had before though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Bad workmen blaming the tools? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fielddweller Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Bad workmen blaming the tools? Or possibly other folk expressing their opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMoody3 Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Initially happy with them, but, as others have said, loads of runners. Gone right off them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 I haven't used these but have used the clay cartridges and didn't like them, In fact I am yet to find an eley cartridge for clay or game that I don't hate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMoody3 Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 I like eley firsts on the clays, they are usually what I use. Saying that, went and bought some gamebore velocity earlier after using some on Monday, they don't leave much of a mess in your barrels and is soooooo much easier to clean the fouling away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Or possibly other folk expressing their opinionThe only reasons for possible poor results can be either inadequate speed (meaning poor striking energy) or poor patterns. I would imagine that the velocity of these shells would be ok (between 1200 and 1300 fps), so choke should sort out sparse patterns. It would be interesting to see what kind of patterns people are getting on paper. I have used these cartridges, and for me, they did the job ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 I find them ok not overjoyed with them,but I have the same view as a few who commented they do seem to be better through tighter chokes, it could be they throw an open pattern and need a little choke to get the best out of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 have used them on pigeons there ok but not exceptional,tried em on crows and just weren,t up to it,so for crows its 32g f/w fiocchi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 I always use Hull cartridges for game or clay cannot fault them any misses are down to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 I always liked Eley 32g 6.5 Pigeon found they killed very cleanly. Not used enough of the Pigeon select yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 personally not a fan . there ok for 40 ish yrd with a tightish choke , beyond that i dont find the perticullay reliable . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Bad workmen blaming the tools? It's simple science. When experimenting scientifically, you change one thing at a time and compare results. If one thing being changed leads to a different result, you can fairly assume that the thing you changed is responsible. I know that my shooting is very consistent (consistently average maybe) but when I change to new cartridges and the shot birds all drop as runners, then I change back to the cartridge I was using before and they drop dead again, that's a very good indication that the cartridges are responsible. Of course it's not simply so black and white. As indicated it could just require a choke change to get the best out of these cartridges if they pattern differently. There could have been something else specific to that one session such as the way the birds were flying over me due to the wind direction, or location I was shooting in. Which is why I am reluctant to say 100% those cartridges are "worse" than what I've been using. Got plenty more to form an opinion with over the next few months... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Getting low on my stock of the others, so I took a box of Pigeon Select out for a little walkabout session at the weekend, when it was still quite windy from the storm that passed over. I missed a few due to poor technique and/or lack of discipline, but everything I shot dropped stone dead. Exactly the same gun and choke combination as before (28" barrel O/U choked 1/4 and 1/2). I was putting just a little less lead on the birds, that's all. Maybe these cartridges actually pattern tighter in my gun than the other Eley Pigeon? I shot one sitter at about 50yds. It was on the far side of the tree with a thick branch shielding it from me, so I could only see its head momentarily as it looked cautiously around after landing! Selected 1/2 choke barrel, had to time my shot very well but got it bang on luckily! Flapped its wings a few times on the way down but didn't move during the following 30 seconds it took for one of the dogs to get on it. I had a very satisfying snap-shot as I walked between two dense rows of 30ft high conifers. A pigeon came sailing over from my left, arcing around to its right, probably about a 30yd shot, just got on it in time and pulled as it was crossing the tree-tops on my right. Dropped like a stone with the 1/4 choke barrel. I stopped at a favourite roost shooting spot to finish up, where I took a pretty straighforward overhead bird very cleanly (no more than 20yds range I'd guess). Then had my best shot of the day which was a jackdaw, screaming down the wind extremely fast above treetop height, I'm guessing it must have been a good 40-yarder. Shooting through the 1/4 choke barrel I thought I'd only clipped it initially, but it folded up, went into a helicopter spin and kept going on the wind. I heard it land; if it wasn't dead before it hit the ground it certainly was afterwards! Quite a long retrieve that one, it took both dogs and about 2 minutes but nothing escapes my two lunatics when they know there's a bird down! So there we go. Just a simple adjustment of technique seemed to make a difference. Pigeon Select are stated as being the same muzzle velocity as the other Pigeon range (1400fps) so what's different? I know I do have a tendency to swing through a bit enthusiastically, so maybe with the 32g 6.5s I'm not hitting with the centre of the pattern, but there's still enough lead in the air to knock them down? Perhaps Pigeon Select require a slightly more accurate skill level to get the best out of them? I'll have to wait until the next blue moon when I'm shooting well to find out so it could be... Bad workmen blaming the tools? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge40 Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Having just used my first box of the Pigeon select cartridges (normally use Hull super fast Pigeon) I cannot find much difference except I had to go up on the choke. Normally shoot 1/4 but on the pigeon select had to go up to 1/2 to get a good pattern. Normally use a Over & under but got a semi auto so might just be the semi auto casing me to go up a choke but brings the pigeons down without an issue. Anyone else tried these out & found the same in the last few months since the first comments about them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 God knows why Eley decided to introduce a "new" pigeon load. Change for the sake of change. For me these are better: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 God knows why Eley decided to introduce a "new" pigeon load. Change for the sake of change. For me these are better: I agree , I tried some of the pigeon select and was not impressed , where as the old hawk best pigeon ( now eley pigeon) were very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 God knows why Eley decided to introduce a "new" pigeon load. Change for the sake of change. For me these are better: Couldn't agree more, my favourite pigeon load. Used thousands of them and rate them very highly! Do use cheaper loads sometimes but never feel they offer the same punch on those longer birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 I agree , I tried some of the pigeon select and was not impressed , where as the old hawk best pigeon ( now eley pigeon) were very good. I'm glad i'm not alone Ade. Couldn't agree more, my favourite pigeon load. Used thousands of them and rate them very highly! Do use cheaper loads sometimes but never feel they offer the same punch on those longer birds. At one point I had 5000 of the 32g 6.5 shot Eley HB's .The last slab is now open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 32g 6.5 is just about the perfect 12b load (for pigeon and pheasants, partridge, grouse etc) out to 45 yards. Call be cynical, but maybe too many were being sold during game season........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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