Tim Kelly Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Is there any such thing? I've had all sorts of coats and leggings over the years, but after the first few weeks they're never waterproof if you're out in proper rain all day. A £400 coat is no better than a £100 coat, they both leak. We were out today in the pouring rain and everyone was soaked to the skin by the end of the day. You'd think there would be a solution by now. I've got PVC oilskins for fishing, can't tell if they leak or it's body juice in them, but you don't feel dry, whether the water's got in or not. PVC is really cold too as it chills by evaporation, like your skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Spent the whole day again out in my musto Fenland stayed dry all day again been good for 3 years. My larksen has also stood up to similar use and kept me dry but the out does get full of water but it doesn't come through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 hello, i wear a waxy waist coat under my shooting/fishing jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted November 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 There were plenty of people with Musto coats today who were as soaked as everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 There were plenty of people with Musto coats today who were as soaked as everyone else. Only saying as I find there where 12 of us out coaching today predominantly in musto fenwicks with shoffle fleece underneath (it's a sort of uniform) no complained about being wet. We spend most days out all day in the field or shooting school this time of year so stay dry is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted November 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Me too. No dog in this fight other than to find an answer, if it exists. I would say that today there were musto, shoeffel, deerhunter, laksen, nomad, barbour, le chameau and beretta coats in the field. Some guns and some beaters. Nobody was remotely dry. I don't believe that breathable products are waterproof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malmick Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Paramo gear works really well, I've used it in the dales and mountains for 20 years or so and always stayed dry and comfortable. Problem is that it's not designed for beating so the outer fabrics are not thorn-proof. I was out all day on Wednesday beating, starting in snow and finishing in drizzle, base layer, Paramo fleece and Laksen Mouflon jacket plus waxed cotton leggings, stayed dry in that lot. I've never been a big fan of G'tex membrane type gear but the Laksen CTX seems to be OK. Paramo waterproof garments are not membrane based. Edited November 12, 2016 by malmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazb1967 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 If I know It's going to rain heavy when out shooting or beating I take an Army DPM gore tex jacket and it never fails, I have 3 other Gore tex jackets that I wear for dress or casual and find it's the only material that is fully waterproof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 It depends whether or not you're a Gun. I always fancied an OG poncho if there was torrential rain. Purdey used to do a pricy version or army surplus for a cost effective option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 If you could still get 'shark country' gear you would know what waterproof gear is / was. The companies main job was to make the survival suits for ditching helicopters in the sea, in cold water. The owner was a keen shooter and still is, I believe. The company got sold quiet a few years ago. I have one of their jackets, 20 years old. Never leaked to this day and it's out in all winter weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazb1967 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 If you could still get 'shark country' gear you would know what waterproof gear is / was. The companies main job was to make the survival suits for ditching helicopters in the sea, in cold water. The owner was a keen shooter and still is, I believe. The company got sold quiet a few years ago. I have one of their jackets, 20 years old. Never leaked to this day and it's out in all winter weather. Still remember having to wear them suits for getting on the helicopters travelling out to the rigs, never had to rely on them thankfully but one thing I do remember is you used swat your ******** off when you had them on, they were good for what they were designed for but you couldn't walk around or work in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I was out this morning for four hours in the rain.I had on an army dpm gore tex jacket and trousers.Only thing that got wet was my hands as i had forgotten to take gloves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Still remember having to wear them suits for getting on the helicopters travelling out to the rigs, never had to rely on them thankfully but one thing I do remember is you used swat your ******** off when you had them on, they were good for what they were designed for but you couldn't walk around or work in them Thank god ive never been anywhere near that. Full praise to those that choose that as a career. I don't think breathable fabrics were as big then. But it defno keeps you dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandladdie Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) You've got to maintain these 'waterproof' jackets etc. 1 big downpour can take away the waterproofing, then the jacket will leak like a seive. I use the spray on waterproofer to maintain, and every so often do a full wash in. I have a prologic jacket, bib and braces (£80 for the set) and it's as waterproof as the day it was bought. Edit- OP is correct, no difference between a £400 coat and a £100 coat. They all use the same method of keeping you dry. Edited November 13, 2016 by Highlandladdie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Ex Army poncho is the only way to stay dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) I have most makes of jacket and all will stand up to most of the bad weather very well, however, the only jacket which didn't let me down during the really bad rain storms of 2015/16, was a Laksen, but even that started to seep in at the cuffs eventually. For on site work we wear HH all in one suits; not cheap but very very good. It's one thing being on a shoot in the pouring rain, when you have the option to go home, but quite another when you're on a roof and don't have that option. I've stopped buying expensive wellies and just buy expensive boots, and no longer buy expensive goretex trousers, and have instead gone back to tough and 100% waterproof waxed ones. Nothing brushes aside briars and cover like a heavyweight waxed cotton. Edited November 13, 2016 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 The main difference between a £400 and £100 coat is the matarial a waterproof coat has to hold a certain head of water a goretex coat has to hold over 5 times that level can't remember the exact figures. All have to be maintain and reproofed if you don't look after the coat remove mud and reproof it they will all leak. Also thing like cartridge bag straps apply pressure to the shoulder and increase the hydrographic head of water in that area so also can aid in forcing the coat to leak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) We found that pushing through heavy cover will also soon perforate that expensive membrane. It's fine for standing on a peg, but unless it's covered in canvas type material it soon perishes. The only suit I know of which claims to stand up to heavy cover is those deer stalking suits made by a company whose name escapes me st the moment! Edited November 13, 2016 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 We found that pushing through heavy cover will also soon perforate that expensive membrane. It's fine for standing on a peg, but unless it's covered in canvas type material it soon perishes. The only suit I know of which claims to stand up to heavy cover is those deer stalking suits made by a company whose name escapes me st the moment! I have a shooter king coat and that has a demo of it pulled through a hedge by a truck. It's worked so far against gorse and the heaviest rain but I have only had it a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I've got two waterproofs - Musto lightweight and Le Cham Kotcors - and both are very waterproof but the problems come with the gaps around neck and with the Musto the knitted cuffs which if you don't tuck them up your sleeve will draw water half way up your arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I was out as well yesterday harkila pro hunter jacket and stayed dry as usual in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 We found that pushing through heavy cover will also soon perforate that expensive membrane. It's fine for standing on a peg, but unless it's covered in canvas type material it soon perishes. The only suit I know of which claims to stand up to heavy cover is those deer stalking suits made by a company whose name escapes me st the moment! Ive had jackets covering most price ranges and apart from a Ridgeline smock,the best jacket i ever bought was a Mad Dog Growler.Ive still got it after probably 12 years and apart from the velcro cuff thread coming off its still my go to jacket for really bad weather,and the price was pretty decent. Ive just looked for them online but they are totally re-modelled now so unsure if they are still the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I always buy waterproofs and winter clothing from proper hiking and outdoor stores such as Craghoppers/Regatta etc. They all supply GoreTex based products which is probably the best material, but they have other choices in the 10-15,000 mm waterproof rating. Don't go for anything less than 10,000mm. This is the kind of clothing hill walkers wear in places like the Lake District where you can be out in really serious rain for 10-12 hours. Alternatively you can go to a 'country store' or gun shop and pay 3 times the price for a posh brand coat that won't have such good protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 You could look at the very expensive top of the range Ventile jackets ! .. cant vouch for them as iv'e never owned one... yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I've got a seeland keeper jacket that has never let me down yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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