Muddy Funker Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Having been marginally caught up in this incident today, what really scares me is the over whelming starsky and hutch style response to a minor incident and the impact this would caused if it were a distraction to the main event.. anyone Rememberthe harry Enfield 1950 football sketch? In a city on a high alert the response was way too Dads army. Of course my heart goes out to the injured and deceased of this cowardly attack. I really hope that this isn't a test of the water as our emergency services are mo way near prepared. And why were people locked INSIDE high priority targets as a safety measure? It still feels that the biggest defence against terrorism is their own stupidity which clearly isn't a long term solution Why were people locked inside, lol. Because the threat was outside at a guess. If unknown numbers of subjects with unknown weapons are outside why the **** would anyone with any common sense send further potential victims outside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Wow. Are you genuine or not very bright ? Genuine and exceptionally bright, you are correct, thank you. To critics of my comment, maybe think about things a little, very sad for many, but, it is very much a near miss Why were people locked inside, lol. Because the threat was outside at a guess. If unknown numbers of subjects with unknown weapons are outside why the **** would anyone with any common sense send further potential victims outside? Because, the incident was miles away and this was inside a significant terror target, effectively herding people inside a potential bomb sight. Locking people in the basement was not the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Everything is after the horse has bolted. This appears to be a situation where there was just one lone attacker using a knife and the car. There is no way that this can be totally defended against 100% all of the time. All we understand is that this was not a much more serious situation. The car could have been loaded with petrol and explosive and driven directly to the gate without running people over and crashed through the gate and detonated causing considerable distruction. The officers involved are brave and confront this evil but what is the point of saying that there will be more police out and about for a few days. What are they going to do apart from mill about. If there are more people involved in this incident then either they will be known and arrested or if unknown there isn't anything that can be done about them because they aren't known. It needs the radical terrorist threat that is eminating from Isis and other radicalised groups to be completely distroyed and the game stopped. Absolutely, could have been much worse. The thing that worries me is that if there were co ordinated attacks 30 mins apart in different parts there would have been a decreasing degree of response as emergency services flood to a very sad but quite minor incident, this could have been much, much worse if this were only one distraction event, not the event. Fortunately these terrorists are very stupid, if they sharpen up then based on today's events I can't see the emergency services being anyway near able to react Actually, the way these things are judged, it probably is, sad to say. What would have happened if instead of driving it into the railings he had used the car as a massive suicide bomb packed with explosives? Its scary how matter of fact these things can become. Tragic as it is he sold his life cheap compared to what he could have done. Absolutely right I think our police know how to deal with 'minor' incidents such as this better than you. Muppet. As evidenced yesterday, clearly not. I won't insult you as you have me, I don't think you would understand it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Genuine and exceptionally bright, you are correct, thank you. To critics of my comment, maybe think about things a little, very sad for many, but, it is very much a near miss Because, the incident was miles away and this was inside a significant terror target, effectively herding people inside a potential bomb sight. Locking people in the basement was not the answer It's easy to criticise, alot harder to do something about it, this was a significant terror attack and I'm glad our emergency services responded as they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I had a birds eye view of the emergency services response on the scene in the 10 minutes or so afterwards and also later as I walked through the north of the city to catch my train home. They did a magnificent job in executing a well rehearsed plan drawn up by experts in incident response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I had a birds eye view of the emergency services response on the scene in the 10 minutes or so afterwards and also later as I walked through the north of the city to catch my train home. They did a magnificent job in executing a well rehearsed plan drawn up by experts in incident response. Unfortunately some people just can't help criticise, as you say experts have drawn up response plans and if in the analysis of events things are found to be in need of improvement I'm sure changes will be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 If they had only sent a few ambulance crews and a couple of officers people would still be on here criticising about the response. How did they know what was next or where. Hindsight is a great thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Some people watch too many films and think they're experts. I feel awful for those killed and the families left behind, how do you tell your kids that mum or dad isn't coming home after what would have started as a normal day in work, the fear families must have faced worried for any loved ones caught in the area to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 The emergency service did an great job.The crazy thing is,the officer that shot the scum will be scrutinised to make sure he did everything within the guidelines before shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Because, the incident was miles away and this was inside a significant terror target, effectively herding people inside a potential bomb sight. Locking people in the basement was not the answer The incident was outside the building they were locked in.... All your comments are made 16 hours after the event, it's ridiculous to suggest an over reaction by the emergency services. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Genuine and exceptionally bright, you are correct, thank you. To critics of my comment, maybe think about things a little, very sad for many, but, it is very much a near miss Because, the incident was miles away and this was inside a significant terror target, effectively herding people inside a potential bomb sight. Locking people in the basement was not the answer You need to get over yourself. The security forces have been in this game since before you were born. Your cunning plan scenario is nothing more than basic 101 stuff. I don't think I'm out on a limb here, but I'd bet all I own to a pinch of salt that they know far more about the threat and how to counter it than you will ever know. A sad day yesterday, and tragic as these incident's always are, perhaps now some apologists both in Westminster and elsewhere will understand what a "terrorist" is and how they operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I'm surprised we haven't had a bleat on here of 'why couldn't Police used a taser'. I doubt the IPCC will be overly keen to investigate the shooting to the depths they usually go to- as demonstrated with the Lee Rigby shooting. The area was flooded with Police immediately on receiving the call-a response that has been widely praised. . As for cops driving on blue lights around the scene-Who knows what other reports of potential suspects, potential devices or just an overwhelming will to get stuck in when one their colleagues has just been murdered. Remember they were going towards the threat while directing the public away from it. Some people show their true colours in times of adversity. Others just comment on PW. Well done to all the emergency responders involved. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 The emergency service did an great job.The crazy thing is,the officer that shot the scum will be scrutinised to make sure he did everything within the guidelines before shooting. Exactly this. Was the officer in direct threat? Could he have used taser? Did he issue a warning? Was the "man" mentally ill? Etc etc. Sadly he will be put through all this rubbish due to the world we now live in. All I can say is well done for making those shots count and no doubt saving many more lives. Over the next few weeks and months we will hear and see radical preachers of Islam praising this attack and it will be commended on social media. How would somewhere like Russia deal with this? The people would be traced,identified and quietly vanish. Gone. Never heard or seen again. Sometimes we are too liberal and fair for our own good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Exactly this. Was the officer in direct threat? Could he have used taser? Did he issue a warning? Was the "man" mentally ill? Etc etc. Sadly he will be put through all this rubbish due to the world we now live in. All I can say is well done for making those shots count and no doubt saving many more lives. Over the next few weeks and months we will hear and see radical preachers of Islam praising this attack and it will be commended on social media. How would somewhere like Russia deal with this? The people would be traced,identified and quietly vanish. Gone. Never heard or seen again. Sometimes we are too liberal and fair for our own good. Unfortunately I'm well aware of how Russia would deal with it. the Serbs dealt with their problems the same way Russia dealt with jihadists in chechnya. Something I hope I never see in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I now that people will put me down for saying this but I have always thought that all of our police should be issued with small revolvers mostly for self protection people will say that it would need lots of practice training I do not buy this as it would for the most part only be used for close up they would not need to be good shots and as I see it revolvers are simple to use just point and pull the trigger. We would still have the firearms police with there 16 round glocks and SMGs for hard core people terrorist and drug gangs etc but for the single guy with a knife or sword a tazer may or may not work depending on what the attacker is wearing a .38 or 9mm lump of lead will do a lot to stop the bad guy and keep our police safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I now that people will put me down for saying this but I have always thought that all of our police should be issued with small revolvers mostly for self protection people will say that it would need lots of practice training I do not buy this as it would for the most part only be used for close up they would not need to be good shots and as I see it revolvers are simple to use just point and pull the trigger. We would still have the firearms police with there 16 round glocks and SMGs for hard core people terrorist and drug gangs etc but for the single guy with a knife or sword a tazer may or may not work depending on what the attacker is wearing a .38 or 9mm lump of lead will do a lot to stop the bad guy and keep our police safe. unless they are wearing a bullet proof vest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Seems they may have named the wrong man, must admit from the pictures it looks like Trevor Brooks but who ever it was good riddance, at least it wont cost the tax payer anything to keep this lowlife in prison. The brother of Abu Izzadeen, formerly known as Trevor Brooks, called into Channel 4 News to say he could not be the attacker as he is still in prison?.......http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/abu-izzadeen-not-london-attacker-brother-mistaken-alive-still-in-prison-a7644626.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 You need to get over yourself. The security forces have been in this game since before you were born. Your cunning plan scenario is nothing more than basic 101 stuff. I don't think I'm out on a limb here, but I'd bet all I own to a pinch of salt that they know far more about the threat and how to counter it than you will ever know. A sad day yesterday, and tragic as these incident's always are, perhaps now some apologists both in Westminster and elsewhere will understand what a "terrorist" is and how they operate. This place never fails to amaze me, are other forums the same? If anyone here is thinking of what ifs, do you not think the security experts have also and planned for them in the years leading up to this? The example of another attack happening elsewhere was probably planned for first. I doubt any armchair expert here can think of a contingency that hasn't already been planned for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 unless they are wearing a bullet proof vest? The it would need one between the eyes at 10ft that would not be to hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 The it would need one between the eyes at 10ft that would not be to hard. What we talking, a fast draw from the hip western style ? Please.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 This place never fails to amaze me, are other forums the same? If anyone here is thinking of what ifs, do you not think the security experts have also and planned for them in the years leading up to this? The example of another attack happening elsewhere was probably planned for first. I doubt any armchair expert here can think of a contingency that hasn't already been planned for. Not sure who that comment is aimed at tbh, care to elaborate? The it would need one between the eyes at 10ft that would not be to hard. A significant amount of people can't hit a standard fig11 at 10 yds with a k frame revolver with training, so "between the eyes" is wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me matt Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 One good thing to come out of this - today's front pages are full of pictures of a dying gutless scumbag. Looks like he took a round or two in the chest area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Fake news?.........http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/4chan-post-london-attack-predicts-westminster-terror-incident-a7644386.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Not sure who that comment is aimed at tbh, care to elaborate? A significant amount of people can't hit a standard fig11 at 10 yds with a k frame revolver with training, so "between the eyes" is wishful thinking. +1 Add to that that the Fig. 11 is not moving and unless it's not your first time you're soiling yourself so 2 yds is a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Not sure who that comment is aimed at tbh, care to elaborate? I'm agreeing with your post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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