Hamster Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 It must be said that the silence from the left of centre liberals and "specialist interest groups" is deafening. It might be out of respect for the dead and the grieving. I have always said those on the radar should be watched extra hard but sadly I can also see the impossibility of the challenge, yes in an ideal world it would be nice if they just did a SAS disappearing act but lets face it that isn't possible because it will lead to more hatred (and the cycle repeats) because by definition we'd be bumping off a few who don't pose an actual evil threat. Unfortunately we aren't prepared to face up and address the causes of such evil and we all pay the collective price. My wife and I could barely eat supper thinking about the poor parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I feel the same, but against whom? I'm pleased i'm not alone. i would suggest we know but so far it's not in the public regime. Need to do some fast action stuff otherwise these ******** will be doing more and more of the same. There will be a lot of talk a lot of condemnation, and unfortunately nothing will change. Well it ******* well needs to and fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Don't you think its a bit of a sign of the times that the details of the bomber was released by US officials to the Reuters news agency. Before it was released over here by our police Edited May 23, 2017 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNS Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I've been to that arena countless times. Whilst I've since moved away I still think of Manchester as my home town. One of my sisters best friends went to collect her kids from the concert last night. Her kids have come home but she hasn't. She's 'missing' currently. As is the friend that was with her. There is faint hope that the friend my be seriously ill in intensive care as a nurse called to say she recognised the patient from a photo. There is no news of my sisters friend save for police confirmation that they have pinged her phone and it is still at the arena. On a more positive note, my parents neighbours were also there. They left via the main exit, but for some inexplicable reason turned left and down some stairs rather than heading into the main foyer. As they reached the bottom of the stairs they heard the explosion. They told my sister 'but for the grace of god....' but as an atheist I struggle with that. I'm too numb to think about much of the discussion above, but came home from work early to hug my little boy instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 What's really sad is some kids and young adults are still missing.Heart breaking to see that young lady and the old fella running around with a photo of their dearest.Four kids missing from up here too.God knows what their parents and friends are going through.I think as well as the emergency services,the general public if Manchester have been amazing.From Hotel staff,taxi drivers and people opening their doors and hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Don't you think its a bit of a sign of the times that the details of the bomber was released by US officials to the Reuters news agency. Before it was released over here by our police There is some evidence ISIS media were hash tagging Manchester, hours before the explosion, but I don't want to search for it. The Russian statement is odd at best too. Edited May 23, 2017 by kyska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 22 victims on the 22nd by a 22 yr old attacker. Crazy. The westminister attack was on the 22nd so was the Brussels attack and the lee rigby murder. What is it with 22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 It's rare for a suicide attacker to make his own explosive device. As before - find the bomb maker and terminate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Also quite possible he did not activate the bomb. It could have been done remotely once he was known to be in position. An aside, I have just watched the Chief Constable give his news conference .. as an ex copper, had I turned up on parade with my helmet/cap not on straight I would have got a rocket. He did not impress me one little bit. Let us hope the men working under him are a lot more able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustaff Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 ..of Libyan descent. So yet another Tony B Liar legacy.....? didnt blair get made middle east peace envoy when he walked away from the mess he created here another good job he has done!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Apparently their was a woman acting suspiciously and edgy near where the bomb went off. A woman reported it to security but said they didn't take her seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Emotions are running high and this is a violent, nasty, pointless episode has not done anyone any good whatsoever. The integration of many races and faiths does not mean that the vast,vast majority of any race only view this with the same revultion as do we. The systems that are running in the background will be working flat out to understand how this happened, who was involved and what is needed to stop it happening again. I can't see a single 22 year old working this out, sourcing the materials, manufacturing the device doing all of the planning and then carrying out the deadly deed and wiping himself out in the process. nahh, somewhere out there, there is a maker who is below knowledge. The lad that did this is just a brainwashed Muppet who has been used. And for what? The recovery teams will be working over everything to see the details of this device. I would love to be involved in this sort of physical dissection of the resultant destruction to track and find the evil ones. This explains it well. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40012208 Edited May 23, 2017 by fortune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephensedgwick Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 22 now. Apparently it was a man carrying a rucksack! Security? ?? 22 now. Apparently it was a man carrying a rucksack! Security? ?? I don't think be you should be blaming security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) ordnance, on 23 May 2017 - 7:12 PM, said: There will be a lot of talk a lot of condemnation, and unfortunately nothing will change. Well it ******* well needs to and fast. But i know from experience and you should know it will be more of the same, the security forces will do what they can but they can not stop all attacks and they will continue for the foreseeable future. Once they have got to the stage of having a bomb strapped to them its too late, if he was unable to get into the arena he would have just picked another target. Edited May 23, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) I don't think be you should be blaming security Since found out from statements from survivors that the security was relaxed and not even tickets checked. I'm sorry but someone was doing their job properly. Edited May 23, 2017 by winnie&bezza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Since found out from statements from survivors that the security was relaxed and not even tickets checked. I'm sorry but someone was doing their job properly. And if there was tighter security when he arrived it would have just moved the attack, he would have picked another target a bus taking children to the arena etc. Edited May 23, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephensedgwick Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Since found out from statements from survivors that the security was relaxed and not even tickets checked. I'm sorry but someone was doing their job properly. It still don't mean they are responsible for some one strapping a bomb on and killing people, its the same old blame anyone except the guilty ,I am sure if you was doing security and some one blew the venue up you wouldn't want to go home saying to your self I killed them people or that's my fault ,so I am sorry the people /person reasonable is the bombers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 And if there was tighter security when he arrived it would have just moved the attack, he would have picked another target a bus taking children to the arena etc. This. Suicide bombers don't target security rich targets as they have an abundance of easily accessible soft targets. Think of all the places where masses of people congregate and you have a potential target. Security personnel are just as likely to be victims as anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Unfortunately one of the 22 was my sisters beautician who lives about 500 yards from me. There's been a police car there all day outside her home. She was waiting for her daughter Inside the entrance. She was also with another woman from royton who was also killed. Both picking their daughters up. Very sad times but this is a by product from multiculturalism, rip to all the families and friends involved. Also just wanted to say I've never been more proud to be a 'manc' than today. the community has really pulled together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 r i p to all the victims these people who die for allah do not deserve to live in our society as a previous post said invite the fox into the hen house because its cold outside and how does he repay you he kills the hens that is his nature the answer to the terrorist problem has many answers but come down to one thing they kill without exception It does not help when comrade corbyn still does not call them terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Operation Temperer apparently in effect! Troops being deployed to the streets, essentially martial law I think? Although facts are few at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 do you know what martial law is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 It still don't mean they are responsible for some one strapping a bomb on and killing people, its the same old blame anyone except the guilty ,I am sure if you was doing security and some one blew the venue up you wouldn't want to go home saying to your self I killed them people or that's my fault ,so I am sorry the people /person reasonable is the bombers I didn't say they were but in my eyes with the risk of terrorism in the world today then any large event with crowds should have security as tight as a ducks ****. Of course it's the bombers fault! Never said it wasn't but still doesn't take away from what people are saying about security being relaxed. It can't afford to be. Maybe the organisers said to security not to be as strict and get them in and out quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitclays Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 speaking as someone from Manchester and who sadly knows some poor people caught up in this cowardly act aimed at children,I am of the opinion we,as a country should not light candles and hope our politicians through diplomacy come to some arrangement with these xxxxxxxx,If one of my children were involved.i would want revenge/justice.Does the school bully not think twice about carrying out the same actions if given a beating,Come on Mrs May send some planes in and show them we wont stand for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Since found out from statements from survivors that the security was relaxed and not even tickets checked. I'm sorry but someone was doing their job properly. Do you mean someone was NOT doing their job properly? With the best will in the world there is no amount of security, checks and intelligence that can guard against terrorist attacks when sleeper cells are in every country in Europe, probably across the world. This bomber appears to be another "homegrown" terrorist, part of a community that is already well established here, accepted as part of our community yet turning against the country that gave his family refuge and a home against terrorism in the first place. Personally I see this as similar to the crusades but in reverse. Eventually the Western/civilised world has to fight back in a similar fashion but using technology, better arms and far more destructive methods or accept that the twisted followers of Islam will carry on and eventually bring sharia law, fear and barbarism to every part of our lives, or that of our children. I abhorr violence of any kind but surely it's reaching the point where the only way to fight back is to hit them before they hit you. Sadly, innocents will always be collateral victims, that is the way of any war, but it doesn't need to be one sided. So, a 22 year old man of immigrant parents saved from terrorism in their own country slaughters 22 and wounds another 59 in the country that gave them sanctuary and safety. What more proof do we need of a twisted, sick idealogy that needs removing or at least pushing back to the barren, backward, stoneage countries of the East. I notice on the news there was great support from the Sikh community, I witnessed the same a few years ago during the floods in Somerset, Sikhs came to help and offer support. From the Muslim community? Nothing. Its about time our leaders REALLY woke up and do something to protect our people and our way of life, the alternative is an eventual backlash that will come from the grass roots and be ugly in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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